Here's an interesting method of building hours.

[cdnpilot77]

#2 is gone

[5x5]

Well, #1 above appears to be a discovery flight. #2, not so much...

Well, it IS presented that way but it's a strange FTU that advertizes discovery flights but doesn't mention their name in the ad and gives only the pilot's home phone number. The "Gift Certificate" is a nice touch too.

Perfect Day, referenced in #1 is a company that resells other companies services. They contact a variety of "experience oriented" businesses to provide the actual service. In this case it looks like the kijiji advertiser likely purchased one of the Prefect Day certificates and is not going to use it himself so is trying to resell it. The company that will actually provide the flight would be a flight school in the areas mentioned.

[Blakey]

Almost got it right this time!

Not quite though.

http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-services-tra ... Z461103156

[Colonel Sanders]

Blakey: is this the kijiji ad you are referring to?

[Blakey]

Yes, that's the one. Thinking of booking a flight?

[High Flyin]

I'm not necessarily saying I condone this, but I don't get you guys at times. You all bitch about TC and regulations, yet you lot seem to be the first to try and enforce the rules you complain about. Is a 702 OC really gonna make it safe? If shit happens, it's his ass that will be on the line, not yours.

[Rookie50]

It's different. The passengers do not understand the risk they are taking with a non commercial trained pilot. You want to do this, get a CPL and a job.

[notpaying]

He's got a second link...

You can simply troll the guy. He left his phone number and can be e-mailed. How stupid is stupid ?


http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-services-tra ... Z461102870

[CFR]

Someone's been busy ... both ads are gone.

[Colonel Sanders]

Really? How surprising. I wouldn't have expected that.

[ReserveTank]

It's different. The passengers do not understand the risk they are taking with a non commercial trained pilot. You want to do this, get a CPL and a job.

I know of a lot of CPL holders that are quite unsafe. For that matter, there are a number of ATPLs that I found to have very poor skill and PDM, while at the same time being overconfident in their abilities. A sticker in the book does not mean anything.

[thatlowtimer]

Didn't know David Clark made a headset that fit over a turban...

Awesome

[GUMPS]

Didn't know David Clark made a headset that fit over a turban...

Awesome

Really? It wasn't even a cleaver joke.

[High Flyin]

It's different. The passengers do not understand the risk they are taking with a non commercial trained pilot. You want to do this, get a CPL and a job.

Again I don't think that's the issue. Even if he had a commercial licence, people would still be trolling this guy asking then where is his 702 OC.

And let's be honest, we crucify these guys on kijiji, yet the masses here apparently don't see a problem with a private owner renting block time on a 150 for profit. Isn't it basically one in the same?

[photofly]

And let's be honest, we crucify these guys on kijiji, yet the masses here apparently don't see a problem with a private owner renting block time on a 150 for profit. Isn't it basically one in the same?

No... you don't need an OC to rent out an aircraft. It's not an Air Transport Service.

[High Flyin]

And let's be honest, we crucify these guys on kijiji, yet the masses here apparently don't see a problem with a private owner renting block time on a 150 for profit. Isn't it basically one in the same?

No... you don't need an OC to rent out an aircraft. It's not an Air Transport Service.

You're renting out your plane for profit/reward. Technically that falls under a commercial service.

[photofly]

You don't need an OC for commercial service (whatever that means). You need an OC specifically to operate an "Air Transport Service" (a defined term in the CARs) - see CAR 700.02(1). Don't hand the government more powers to regulate aviation than they already have.

[CD]

Aeronautics Act - Interpretation

3. (1) In this Act,

“air carrier” means any person who operates a commercial air service; « transporteur aérien »

“commercial air service” means any use of aircraft for hire or reward; « service aérien commercial »

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Canadian Aviation Regulations - Interpretations

101.01(1) In these Regulations:

"aerial work" - means a commercial air service other than an air transport service or a flight training service; (travail aérien)

"air operator certificate" - means a certificate issued under Part VII that authorizes the holder of the certificate to operate a commercial air service; (certificat d'exploitation aérienne)

"air transport service" - means a commercial air service that is operated for the purpose of transporting persons, personal belongings, baggage, goods or cargo in an aircraft between two points; (service de transport aérien)

"flight training service" - means a commercial air service that is operated for the purpose of conducting flight training; (service d'entraînement en vol)

"flight training unit operator certificate" - means a certificate issued under Subpart 6 of Part IV that authorizes the holder of the certificate to operate a flight training service; (certificat d'exploitation d'unité de formation au pilotage)

[High Flyin]

You don't need an OC for commercial service (whatever that means). You need an OC specifically to operate an "Air Transport Service" (a defined term in the CARs) - see CAR 700.02(1). Don't hand the government more powers to regulate aviation than they already have.

If you rent block time on your aircraft, you can only charge what it costs to operate (incidental costs). You are not allowed to charge a profit. If you do, you need to have the aircraft registered for commerical purposes. I'm not sure if you'd need an OC or not, and I don't really care, no offence.

My point is, almost everyday we see ads go up here for block time, and nearly everyone who rents block time does so at a profit, and we all know it, and everyone idlely stands by. But god help us if a private pilot posts on ad on kijiji to bring up passengers.

[photofly]

You are not allowed to charge a profit. If you do, you need to have the aircraft registered for commerical purposes.

No offence taken, or intended again, in turn - but according to which regulation do you claim that to be so?

[MrWings]

Really? It wasn't even a cleaver joke.

You're right. It needed to be much sharper.

[azimuthaviation]

So all these amateur Transport Enforcement types here, are you going to be such sticklers for the regs when the inspectors are pointing at you?

[High Flyin]

You are not allowed to charge a profit. If you do, you need to have the aircraft registered for commerical purposes.

No offence taken, or intended again, in turn - but according to which regulation do you claim that to be so?

It's my interpretation of Transport Canada's definition for commercial air service, which states: “commercial air service” means any use of aircraft for hire or reward.

Any use could also extend to the rental of a private aircraft for reward to the aircraft owner.

Also, it seems to be the general consensus of the forum whenever this topic is brought up.

[Colonel Sanders]

Doesn't matter what anyone here thinks.

What matters is what Enforcement thinks.

Obviously the PPL doing charter thought he
was over the line. Otherwise why would he
have pulled the ad, and try to cover up what
he did?

[azimuthaviation]

Obviously the PPL doing charter thought he
was over the line. Otherwise why would he
have pulled the ad, and try to cover up what
he did?

That ad has been up on and off for three years