How do you flip a taildragger on landing?

[fleet16b]

Pop quiz: You're going to run smoke on
the ground in your Whiz-Bang taildragger.
Instead of stationary, you're going to go
around in a circle. The chicks will go wild
for you after the show.

Do you do the circle:

fast/slow/doesn't matter
right/left/doesn't matter

Hint: think about fast/right and slow/left.

Whatever it take to get you laid ofcourse but be careful if you screw up that may be the only screwing you get to do post airshow

Fast left ? slow right ?

[Shiny Side Up]

The chicks like it more if you start slow, then fast. Wait, what are we talking about?

[fleet16b]

The chicks like it more if you start slow, then fast. Wait, what are we talking about?

Listen up ...theres nothin better than a great set of t#ts ....except for maybe flyin Taildraggers and Oshkosh

[PilotDAR]

You're going to run smoke on
the ground in your Whiz-Bang taildragger.

The engine is new, so no smoke. I probably will run water from my splash and spray taildragger though!

[trampbike]

Pop quiz: You're going to run smoke on
the ground in your Whiz-Bang taildragger.
Instead of stationary, you're going to go
around in a circle. The chicks will go wild
for you after the show.

Do you do the circle:

fast/slow/doesn't matter
right/left/doesn't matter

Hint: think about fast/right and slow/left.

I guess if the prop is heavy enough you should be carefull turning right since the tail is going to be getting lighter and lighter as you accelerate your turn.
I don't see yet what would be the problem turning left. Enlighten me!

[Colonel Sanders]

carefull turning right

You got it. Go left. Slowly. If you go right,
gyroscopic precession will raise the tail.

This is not a minor academic detail. Arguably
Canada's greatest stick & rudder pilot - he did
very well at Red Bull, so he's a lot better pilot
than I ever will be - whacked his prop on the
ground doing this sort of thing.

[photofly]

Am I right to think that aircraft engines from Eastern Europe turn the other way to Lyc/TCM ones, so that would be reversed if you had one of those?

[Colonel Sanders]

Correct - with M14P, go right slowly.

It's just gyroscopic precession. For example,
with a Lyc, you only hammerhead to the left
(well, I will hhead right but I am weird).

With an M14P, you always hhead right. And,
it's gonna be left rudder on takeoff.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Yes , the best example of rotation direction is best experienced in a helicopter......I never gave it much thought though because I use yaw as my prompt of how to operate the controls.

[trey kule]

I happened to come upon a question in a pre employment screening evaluation test today that I thought might be pertinent to this discussion.
You can assume a single engine prop driven plane with a typical lyc/cont installation...( yeah yeah , I know, that the geared ones turn the opposite way on some planes )
Anyway, the question was something like this.
A. You line up on the centreline with a light crosswind from the left. power is advanced to full, brakes are released, and on the takeoff roll, the aircraft moves off of the centreline first to the left, and then to the right. What is the cause of this?

The answer is a bit surprising, but interesting

[digits_]

I happened to come upon a question in a pre employment screening evaluation test today that I thought might be pertinent to this discussion.
You can assume a single engine prop driven plane with a typical lyc/cont installation...( yeah yeah , I know, that the geared ones turn the opposite way on some planes )
Anyway, the question was something like this.
A. You line up on the centreline with a light crosswind from the left. power is advanced to full, brakes are released, and on the takeoff roll, the aircraft moves off of the centreline first to the left, and then to the right. What is the cause of this?

The answer is a bit surprising, but interesting

A guess (assuming you don't correct for anything with your rudder):
At first, you have almost no generated lift, thus the wind can be 'ignored'. The effect is caused by a clockwise rotation of the propeller, generating a yaw to the left. As you gain speed the wings start to generate lift and you float on the wind, thus blowing you to the right ?

[photofly]

A crosswind from the left will turn the nose left on the roll, adding to the effect of the asymmetric propwash.

[triplese7en]

CS - why do you have to go slow when you're going left? Other than the obvious that going fast in circles, on the ground, in smoke, probably isn't the smartest idea!

[trey kule]

Well, first I should explain that when I saw the question, my answer was " darned if I know why it would do that" , which apparently is a neutral answer, whatever that means to a psycho metrician.

The perfect answer they were looking for, was the failure of the pilot to maintain directional control during the take off roll.

I edited this to remove all the reasons this question was included. It boils down to the fact that pilots don't consider themselves as part of a problem.. The airplane is supposed to roll straight down the centre of the runway. If it does not, the pilot has a control issue, either because they misjudged the prevailing conditions and are attempting to take off in conditions that exceed the aircraft ability, or, more commonly, because they are simply not properly controlling the airplane. In CS's rather obscure and bizarre example of a pilot doing donuts on the ramp, the pilot who does this and has a prop strike has misunderstood the aircraft characteristics,and thus was unable to maintain control...and in this case seems to show all the maturity of a teen in daddy's car doing a smoke show. Or has exceeded their ability to control the aircraft.

In any event, the point is that pilots look for all sorts of reasons when something does not go as planned, but seldom ever consider themselves as part of the problem.

So how do you flip a tail dragger on landing? You don't. Unless, maybe you are going to lose it in a divorce settlement

[photofly]

It boils down to the fact that pilots don't consider themselves as part of a problem

Very interesting.