Rouge F/A BS!
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Re: Rouge F/A BS!
I agree with Erik90. I understand your point. It's not a question of bitching ACR or whatsoever... I totally agree with the fact that sometime mistakes can happen and yes they may have to send new hires elsewhere for training. However not providing any time for them to find a place is not acceptable. Especially when they will have to pay probably a hotel room for the first couple days and maybe weeks before they can find a place... And who really have time to find a place when you have to study so hard for that initial training? It's not like if they were going to make 80 000$ the first year with ACR. They will get 22.99 and work 75 hrs and pay 50$ a mont for their training... This is also without the uniform, the union due, the insurances eventually and what else... Plus the fact that for the duration of the training they will be paid minimum wage and live in one of the most expensive city in Canada... So I love flying and I am very thrilled with this new airline and the impact in Canada but I understand that those initial conditions are not great... But let see what is coming for them... We can be surprised!
Re: Rouge F/A BS!
I don't agree. If you accept a new job at a LCC without knowing your training/working conditions then it's your own fault. This is a LCC and not ac. So if you expect same conditions as AC then you're dilusaional. Just by your comment "how low can ac go" shows that you are just expecting ac. It's not way to go ac. It's way to go rouge and way to go to yourself for accepting a positions without full details.
Re: Rouge F/A BS!
Curious for those hired as FAs, has Rouge said if you will get single occupancy rooms on layovers or are they doubling up?
Re: Rouge F/A BS!
Erik and Mark,
I'll admit to knowing very little about the FA's contract at rouge beyond what has been posted on this thread, but what I do know is not to take everything I read on internet forums as fact. Not to disagree with what you've stated about FA's being forced to pay for their own accommodations while training in YUL, but I'd certainly get verification before getting too upset, especially considering it doesn't sound like this circumstance has been forced upon either of you. What if rouge had asked some new hires currently living in YUL if they wished to complete their training in YUL before moving to YYZ?
Regardless, if I found myself in this undesirable situation I'd try something like this (feel free to use this BTW).
Dear so and so,
I've recently been invited to participate in rouge Flight Attendant training in Montreal. While I'm extremely excited to join the rouge team, (**low level HR managers eat up those sort of phrases;) I currently reside in Toronto where I was informed I will be based upon successful completion of my training. I feel that providing my own accommodations in Montreal would be cost prohibitive and was hoping you could assist me by either; delaying my start date until a course in Toronto could be provided or arranging paid accommodations for my training in Montreal.
Kindest regards,
TheStig
The labour market is quite simply about buyers and sellers, in this case you are selling your services (cue the prostitution jokes…) if the buyer is not offering what you consider appropriate compensation, no one is forcing you to sell…Not providing paid accommodations would be a last minute grab with the hopes of saving a few bucks while risking the chance of the deal falling through.
As others and myself have already stated here, rouge isn't Air Canada, for that matter joining Air Canada today isn't what it was 20 years ago. If you don't like what is being offered, don't join. I'd highly discourage you from walking in the door with a chip on your shoulder and feeling entitled to anything more than the contract in front of you. The vacation travel market is a commodities business and the lowest cost is going to win the customers business 99% of the time, keeping costs low isn't some personal slap in the face it's business.
I'll admit to knowing very little about the FA's contract at rouge beyond what has been posted on this thread, but what I do know is not to take everything I read on internet forums as fact. Not to disagree with what you've stated about FA's being forced to pay for their own accommodations while training in YUL, but I'd certainly get verification before getting too upset, especially considering it doesn't sound like this circumstance has been forced upon either of you. What if rouge had asked some new hires currently living in YUL if they wished to complete their training in YUL before moving to YYZ?
Regardless, if I found myself in this undesirable situation I'd try something like this (feel free to use this BTW).
Dear so and so,
I've recently been invited to participate in rouge Flight Attendant training in Montreal. While I'm extremely excited to join the rouge team, (**low level HR managers eat up those sort of phrases;) I currently reside in Toronto where I was informed I will be based upon successful completion of my training. I feel that providing my own accommodations in Montreal would be cost prohibitive and was hoping you could assist me by either; delaying my start date until a course in Toronto could be provided or arranging paid accommodations for my training in Montreal.
Kindest regards,
TheStig
The labour market is quite simply about buyers and sellers, in this case you are selling your services (cue the prostitution jokes…) if the buyer is not offering what you consider appropriate compensation, no one is forcing you to sell…Not providing paid accommodations would be a last minute grab with the hopes of saving a few bucks while risking the chance of the deal falling through.
As others and myself have already stated here, rouge isn't Air Canada, for that matter joining Air Canada today isn't what it was 20 years ago. If you don't like what is being offered, don't join. I'd highly discourage you from walking in the door with a chip on your shoulder and feeling entitled to anything more than the contract in front of you. The vacation travel market is a commodities business and the lowest cost is going to win the customers business 99% of the time, keeping costs low isn't some personal slap in the face it's business.
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Re: Rouge F/A BS!
The facts of the matter are this; the prerequisite to become a Flight Attendant is the square root of ZERO. Equal to getting a job pouring a "double double" at T-Ho's.
Unions like CUPE have made the job, into a Career - guess what - the party is over.
They currently have an outstanding case with the Human Rights Commission, claiming a F/A is "work of equal value" to a Pilot.
Unfortunately we are seeing the extreme, the JOB of a F/A is worth a livable wage, but it sure as hell isn't worth what the Senior F/A's at AC make.
Unions like CUPE have made the job, into a Career - guess what - the party is over.
They currently have an outstanding case with the Human Rights Commission, claiming a F/A is "work of equal value" to a Pilot.
Unfortunately we are seeing the extreme, the JOB of a F/A is worth a livable wage, but it sure as hell isn't worth what the Senior F/A's at AC make.
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Okay I have to bit. 22-30k for a part time job...not to bad. F/A, rampie or gate agent they were ment to be jobs not careers. They want turn over to avoid uneducated positions from costing a fortune. If the word untrained offends people in that position I ask what education did you take to be a csa. Yes I am aware there is an online site that gives you an exam and a fancy certificate to help you on your road to being an f/a but thats not school. the rest of the traing is provided by the airline as with any other job. If you want to make 150k your first year go to med school but thats a little more than six weeks work. sorry some times the truth hurts if you dont like the job dont take it. ot would seem to beet some other jobs if you just got out of school.
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Yeah... if you want to make more money without an education, apparently you can be a pilotywg9 wrote:ot would seem to beet some other jobs if you just got out of school.
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You dont need to know how to spell to be a pilot lol. i blame the fat fingures and small keyboard on the small phone lol
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LOL, I'm sorry. Don't beet me up. Lettuce be friends. Tomotto is another day. 
