Union at West Jet

[Red1]

Artic84 is right there is nothing in the MOA that prevents WestJet moving Jets over to Encore. There is however, a block hour guarantee. In fact there is nothing preventing WestJet from starting Westjet II. In fact the only airline in Canada where this has happened, Air Canada, has scope, a union, lots of lawyers and it didn't prevent the loss of the Embraer's or the start of Rouge.

What we have now isn't perfect, and definitely could be better, but in the end it ultimately works. The fact that you simply can't draw a line in the sand, means at the end of the day everybody needs to find a solution that is best for both parities. What makes us different is the fact that most pilots want the company to do well, because long term stability trumps almost everything else. This doesn't mean you won't have disagreements, or simply roll over on a issue. However, we always seem to find an equitable solution, and I don't think a union would make that any better.

[Arctic84]

Hi Stig. I don't think I ever said I wanted to be unionized. Bidare Dundat. I want to be represented. If the WJPA is unshackled, then great. But that isn't going to happen as long as they are constituted the way they are. The people involved do their best for sure, but they are locked down so tight, they can't even answer a question in a timely fashion. Had you ever heard of a vote being shut down half way through before? Me niether.

The AC/Jazz contract situation sucked, and I think you would be surprised at how many of us think so. What is bad for you is ultimately bad for us all. Harper, Raitt et al will have their sunset of power and then it will be time for airline employees to rebuild.

[7thirtyseven]

Truenorth. If a person sees a future threat to his livelyhood and attempts to at least understand it and perhaps then do something about it while the majority of his/her coworkers would prefer their heads stuck firmly in the sand and the sidelines are chirping spoiled brat.... GOOD FOR HIM.
Heres a quick lesson. The behaviours of corperations are very predictable. Sometimes this behaviour can be masked (usually with money etc etc. But eventually as the lesser mgmnt types buzz towards successs like tge unthinking moths they are the longtime employees become liabilities rather than the "assets" they were previously. This is predictable, it is also predictable that the long time employees because they have both a self interest and a longterm interest in the corp will start to fight back. In WestJets case it will get very heated if only because there are so many employees with such a rosey "picture of potential" in their minds that the backlash against the moths will get harsh.

More drivel.

If there is truly a "future threat" let's hear what it is.

I asked some pretty simple questions that continue to go unanswered, but we know why that is don't we. The answers to those questions do not support the position of the union agitators. They spread rumour and innuendo and outright lies and when they are called on it they disappear or resort to personal attacks (see CAL). It's the same old same old, I've seen it over and over. The unionists are still stuck in the 1930s when lies and intimidation were very effective tools, not so much anymore. The modern workforce is better educated and has access to far more resources.

So 7thirtyseven, until you or someone else steps up and states some real concerns supported by fact, not just rhetoric, you're just whining with an agenda.

Edited to add: thanks for the leson but I spent 35 years in the industry. There is very little you can teach me about airline labour relations.

Ill be blunt with you, like thestig, and perhaps you, I dont think a union is the answer, I do think that discussion of what unions can or cant do is extremely valuable, as well as an honest discussion of how our current system is running, its shortfalls and strengths. You shallowly place my comments as "unionist drivel" and have failed to recognize that my agenda is far deeper than that.
We have the good fortune of working for a great company, we have a ton of potential, we have an engaged pilot group, some of whom have concerns about maximizing their futures, good on 'em. That is an exercise of the very engagement that WestJet is so proud of.
So to answer your q. I personally dont see any immediate "threats" that will cause collapse, but many of us see patterns emerging that are only following stereo typical airline "models" that will one day become threats. If an "engaged" WestJet pilots concerns are immediatly thrown in the pool of "unionist drivel" the reflection is not poor of the "engaged" pilot but of the closeminded thrower.

[bmc]

A downside of introducing a union is the creation of a wall between the management of the airline and the pilots. Gregg will respond to what the pilots want. Gregg is a sincere, honest guy who believes that everyone is in it together and he believes that the historic family like relationship is a foundational element to Westjet's success thus far. Yes, the company is growing and growing into different fleet types with cost structures. It adds challenges to the mix.

If you do go ahead with it, do a good job of it from an overall company perspective. You can easily kill a really good thing that you rarely see these days. Like a good marriage, it takes work on both sides to make the partnership stronger for both participants.

[True North]

True North.

You probably won't get a whole lot of your questions answered because your, well, nobody.

I'm hurt.

If you are as well connected as you say you, ask your buddies to show you the Encore MOA, specifically the part that says no jets. If it ain't in writing, it ain't real. Maybe some of the anti-pilot pit bulls here that have access will confirm it for you. Don't hold your breath. And don't call people liars when you don't know what you are talking about. It makes you look foolish.

I did just that. I see that it states that any wide body aircraft will be added to the WestJet OC. That seems pretty real. It also states if any other type of aircraft is contemplated then the pilot association will be engaged in discussions. That seems pretty reasonable to me given the track record of management/pilot relations thus far.

So, what's the issue?

[True North]

Ill be blunt with you, like thestig, and perhaps you, I dont think a union is the answer, I do think that discussion of what unions can or cant do is extremely valuable, as well as an honest discussion of how our current system is running, its shortfalls and strengths. You shallowly place my comments as "unionist drivel" and have failed to recognize that my agenda is far deeper than that.
We have the good fortune of working for a great company, we have a ton of potential, we have an engaged pilot group, some of whom have concerns about maximizing their futures, good on 'em. That is an exercise of the very engagement that WestJet is so proud of.
So to answer your q. I personally dont see any immediate "threats" that will cause collapse, but many of us see patterns emerging that are only following stereo typical airline "models" that will one day become threats. If an "engaged" WestJet pilots concerns are immediatly thrown in the pool of "unionist drivel" the reflection is not poor of the "engaged" pilot but of the closeminded thrower.

7thirtyseven,

Very eloquently stated. I thank you for that.

[Bede]

Some thing to think about: the LOU's/MOU's that have been negotiated are amendments to the current contract which is expired/extended. Those things are always subject to renegotiation. Not that I think mgmt is going to ship wide bodies to Encore, but legally they could. Some of my colleagues wish to have these sorts of things in writing. I'm not sure I blame them.

[Mostly Harmless]

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[Standby]

Just to add another perspective. I live and work in Calgary and will not be directly impacted by these new bases other than the negative impact to our culture they have created. I will however be voting NO to this MOA simply because I cannot vote on this separately from our agreement. First, there are too many issues that need to be written down that will have a direct impact on people's decisions and should be clarified first. Secondly the WJPA is missing an opportunity to 'discuss' with management some of the other concerns the pilot group has. With that in mind I also feel the WJPA is either willfully negligent in there support of the pilot group or have been severely out maneuvered! Either way there should be some change in that regard. What kind of change I'm still undecided.

[7thirtyseven]

I have come to the conclusion that what WestJet really really needs is an ONION, to add to the brewing shitstew.

[twinpratts]

Well standby, I'm sorry you feel that way... i for one will wait to see the content of the MOA, and vote accordingly, rather than make up my mind to throw away whatever it says without ever having read it.

[CAL]

whats up with your stock? some big swings for a stable airline...your off 3.50 from your high which wasnt that long ago...go westjet!

[Lateralus]

whats up with your stock? some big swings for a stable airline...your off 3.50 from your high which wasnt that long ago...go westjet!

Funny you mention it.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-in ... e12489250/

[CAL]

the ticker at the end?.....or was there something else?....

[Standby]

Well standby, I'm sorry you feel that way... i for one will wait to see the content of the MOA, and vote accordingly, rather than make up my mind to throw away whatever it says without ever having read it.


They told us what's in it. They posted the town halls with all the info online. However you are correct, I will read it first but I don't believe in miracles. The vote is in four days and we haven't even seen it, go figure!

Standby

[Lateralus]

the ticker at the end?.....or was there something else?....

No page 2 of the article halfway down. I'd cut and paste but I'm having some technical difficulties with my iPad

[My_own_priorities]

Arctic84, why do you want to be 'represented'? Is it for new agreement negotiations? If so we could hire negotiators I suppose. If it's not that, is it because the company has arbitrarily been disciplining pilot using heavy-handed measures? If that's the case, there should be a rash of pilot terminations or Captain downgrades/suspensions...but there aren't, are there?

Like someone posted above (BMC), why do you want someone between you and management? Is that the way it was when you flew in the bush? Corporate? Flight school? Water bombing? For me, I don't need or want that layer.

I'll let you in on something, I'm a bit of a douchebag, an asshole at times, indeed a loudmouth schnook who has always believed he was smarter than everyone else in the room (without justification *** well there was that one recurrent GS ***). It has been my fatal flaw since as long as I can remember and it has cost me personal relationships and once or twice, a job *** That's not specifically true, but it makes my story more believeable. ***. (I speculate that it's ADHD or OCD, but I think I'm just an asshole). Several years ago, I pushed the limits of acceptable behaviour for a pilot at WJ. I received a couple of gentle suggestions from my direct manager to alter my behaviour, but I didn't pick up on the hints and continued my behaviour. Without being too specific, I now have a letter on my employment file outlining the expectations for my continued employment. *** NOT THE SHARPEST TOOL...***

When the time came to sit down with the people you would expect to be sitting down with in order to be read the riot act, I specifically asked that no other representatives be there (WJPA). Not that I don't appreciate their work on our behalf (I do), it is simply that I am a grown man, responsible for his own decisions, and I am not afraid to face my superiors. I didn't want an interloper. And I trusted, I had faith in the fairness of the process. I know there are some who trumpet some example from the Durfy years where so-and-so and his buddy had to write letters or something. Not sure, I had no first hand knowledge of the situation, but how about we give the company a mulligan on that one, or give out the full, complete, unedited details of the complete incident so we can all make our own decisions about the management employee relationship.

The takeaway I would like to leave you with is that the two gentlemen (both pilots) who sat down with me that day clearly did not want to be there that day, but my actions forced their hands. They expressed their disappointment of course, but I left that meeting with the clear knowledge that I would not be tarred with a moniker of 'that so-and-so'. I would not be known as "that guy who ...", rather I rejoined the ranks with no stigma.*** ...from management... ***

While in hindsight I am embarrassed that I needed to be there that day, I also recognize that it was my actions that drove the process. I would sincerely ask anyone how having a union or 'representation' would have changed the process for the better. Indeed, I think the opposite would be the case (a lack of personal accountability).

Turning to corporate decisions that affect some of us negatively, it is unfortunate that this happens. But we employees don't always agree with management decisions. That is the nature of being an EMPLOYEE. We pilots are not the corprate decision takers you may think, or used to think. We drive the airplanes under the guidance of the SOPs and HR policies and Flight Safety corrective actions. That's it. It is a job. *** I could have spent more time on this paragraph. What can I say, it came out all at once with no big edits. ***

I do feel for those who will be forced to move. All I can say is that the Ports 'experiment' is over. They tried, they really did, it's over. It should have been done years ago perhaps. I don't know about that much, I'm just a line pilot who reads the minimum number of memos required. I don't visit the WJPA forum as *** I can't ***there's quite enough bitching there about the minutiae of life that would be antithetic to my generally upbeat attitude about life. *** If you have time, ask me about the job losses I had at Air Atlantic, Royal Airlines, and Canada 3000 (over an 8 year period) and how much I was paid for those moves.***

I do hope that those pilots agitating for change can find some peace. My own situation in life is my own and I have my own priorities. I won't be signing up for some new website so I can see those with an agenda, and those that won't realize the unintended consequences of their actions. Drama. Lots and lots of drama. Over what? A job. ***LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!***

Finally, it is too bad that there are competitors in business/industry. It is too bad that economics dictates things like profitability and longevity, and that forces the hands of change. But it does. So far, in my time here at WJ, I have seen many many decisions and many changes, and a few backtracks from decisions. I may not have agreed with some or all of them, but I fully believe that those who made the decisions, did so to the best of their ability, in the sincere belief that they were advancing the corporation forward. Even Durfy, even Mackenzie. I may not have liked them (I didn't know them personally), but I don't believe they were malicious or capricious in their actions. *** It took everything I had not to go on and on and on about my philosophy of life and stick it in this paragraph. You're welcome. ***

I sat through a road show presentation last week. All I detected was a rationale presentation regarding a rationale solution to a business risk. No hidden agenda, just the facts. DaveP was there, I spoke with him personally and I am reassured that the decision to close ports was the only one to make. Que sera, sera. *** Honestly. There have been a number of X9A types go through that management office. I call bullsh*t if you question their honour or integrity in their capacities. They 'represented'/'represent'. ***

That's my world as I see it. I'll head back to my petunias now. Peace everyone. May you all find some measure of contentment through the changes yet to come, in life, and in your employment. *** BARF ***

[True North]

^ Brilliant post.

[Arctic84]

Interesting first post, priorities,

I don't know what you did to have to be called in and get a letter on your file. Don't care. You seem to be grateful not to have been terminated.

The rest of your post makes it seem that the company has to make tough decisions, and that's okay with you. No matter what they are? You are a trusting sort.

Look at some recent history. The top couple of steps gets lopped off of the F/A pay scale. A bunch of station.s that have yet to be announced as getting Encore service, yet all new hires at them will be at Encore pay, while existing staff will have their salary capped.

And then there are pilots. Despite having been proven to have the most productive pilot group around, with no min. credit, seniority, duty rigs, or really any work rules common to the airline industry, it's not enough. Bigger blocking window and more days per month.

This at a time when our company has never been more profitable. So profitable that The CEO compensation increased more than 25% and EVP's got 50% in 2012.

Anyway, that won't change your POV. You are happy to have a job. I wonder though, when your blocking window goes from 70 to 90 hrs. a month at straight time (making OT a distant memory}, and your sitting in YYT for 30hrs for no credit on yet another 5 dayer, will you be as grateful?

[My_own_priorities]

Arctic84, I have posted essentially the same post above in that new forum that I just joined. We can chat about it there if you prefer. But you have piqued my curiosity. What do FA pay, CSA issues. or Executive pay have to do with WJ pilots getting a union? Or is it one big happy union representing all 8000 employees?

The loss of OT wouldn't cause me to reevaluate a decision I would have made to accept the MOA previously. I never did ESP here for the first 4 years or so, as I couldn't handle the cash flow due to previous job loss related messups. So I approached things differently from a lot of people, by my choice. I did one Open Time pairing in the first 5 or 6 years I was here due to a small child at home. Why would I whine because the company changed job conditions by eliminating OT? They have changed work conditions every single year I have been here, and mostly, I repeat mostly, for the better. That's why we have 1200 pilots now...

I take responsibility for my actions and my choices, and I respond to changes in circumstances. And I go find a way to be happy.

Or would it be better to fight fight fight?

Are you completely sure that some senior guys aren't riling up a few people to see if they can somehow get monthly seniority bidding in place via a union? Out of principle I am not in favour of seniority bidding. Until we hire another 150 captains. Then I'll be in favour of it. For the principle of it.

ADDENDUM: I wrote the above first-post and said I wouldn't join that new forum. Post submission-for-approval, I joined that forum. My bad.

[Lateralus]

Arctic84, why do you want to be 'represented'? Is it for new agreement negotiations? If so we could hire negotiators I suppose. If it's not that, is it because the company has arbitrarily been disciplining pilot using heavy-handed measures? If that's the case, there should be a rash of pilot terminations or Captain downgrades/suspensions...but there aren't, are there?

Like someone posted above (BMC), why do you want someone between you and management? Is that the way it was when you flew in the bush? Corporate? Flight school? Water bombing? For me, I don't need or want that layer.

I'll let you in on something, I'm a bit of a douchebag, an asshole at times, indeed a loudmouth schnook who has always believed he was smarter than everyone else in the room (without justification). It has been my fatal flaw since as long as I can remember and it has cost me personal relationships and once or twice, a job. (I speculate that it's ADHD or OCD, but I think I'm just an asshole). Several years ago, I pushed the limits of acceptable behaviour for a pilot at WJ. I received a couple of gentle suggestions from my direct manager to alter my behaviour, but I didn't pick up on the hints and continued my behaviour. Without being too specific, I now have a letter on my employment file outlining the expectations for my continued employment.

When the time came to sit down with the people you would expect to be sitting down with in order to be read the riot act, I specifically asked that no other representatives be there (WJPA). Not that I don't appreciate their work on our behalf (I do), it is simply that I am a grown man, responsible for his own decisions, and I am not afraid to face my superiors. I didn't want an interloper. And I trusted, I had faith in the fairness of the process. I know there are some who trumpet some example from the Durfy years where so-and-so and his buddy had to write letters or something. Not sure, I had no first hand knowledge of the situation, but how about we give the company a mulligan on that one, or give out the full, complete, unedited details of the complete incident so we can all make our own decisions about the managament employee relationship.

The takeaway I would like to leave you with is that the two gentlemen (both pilots) who sat down with me that day clearly did not want to be there that day, but my actions forced their hands. They expressed their disappointment of course, but I left that meeting with the clear knowledge that I would not be tarred with a moniker of 'that so-and-so'. I would not be known as "that guy who ...", rather I rejoined the ranks with no stigma.

While in hindsight I am embarrassed that I needed to be there that day, I also recognize that it was my actions that drove the process. I would sincerely ask anyone how having a union or 'representation' would have changed the process for the better. Indeed, I think the opposite would be the case (a lack of personal accountability).

Turning to corporate decisions that affect some of us negatively, it is unfortunate that this happens. But we employees don't always agree with management decisions. That is the nature of being an EMPLOYEE. We pilots are not the corprate decision takers you may think, or used to think. We drive the airplanes under the guidance of the SOPs and HR policies and Flight Safety corrective actions. That's it. It is a job.

I do feel for those who will be forced to move. All I can say is that the Ports 'experiment' is over. They tried, they really did, it's over. It should have been done years ago perhaps. I don't know about that much, I'm just a line pilot who reads the minimum number of memos required. I don't visit the WJPA forum as there's quite enough bitching there about the minutiae of life that would be antithetic to my generally upbeat attitude about life.

I do hope that those pilots agitating for change can find some peace. My own situation in life is my own and I have my own priorities. I won't be signing up for some new website so I can see those with an agenda, and those that won't realize the unintended consequences of their actions. Drama. Lots and lots of drama. Over what? A job.

Finally, it is too bad that there are competitors in business/industry. It is too bad that economics dictates things like profitability and longevity, and that forces the hands of change. But it does. So far, in my time here at WJ, I have seen many many decisions and many changes, and a few backtracks from decisions. I may not have agreed with some or all of them, but I fully believe that those who made the decisions, did so to the best of their ability, in the sincere belief that they were advancing the corporation forward. Even Durfy, even Mackenzie. I may not have liked them (I didn't know them personally), but I don't believe they were malicious or capricious in their actions.

I sat through a road show presentation last week. All I detected was a rationale presentation regarding a rationale solution to a business risk. No hidden agenda, just the facts. DaveP was there, I spoke with him personally and I am reassured that the decision to close ports was the only one to make. Que sera, sera.

That's my world as I see it. I recognize that there are forums where this issue can be discussed in private. I'm not a member of those forums so forgive my openess. I'll head back to my petunias now. Peace everyone. May you all find some measure of contentment through the changes yet to come, in life, and in your employment.

Very nice post.

[Squid]

Arctic, incase you haven't noticed, your exec is only 80 percent of median. Get over it. In addition since working with the rouge stuff, your "productivity and most efficient factor" is on a constant curve downward as the workforce ages and growth slows. But, you obviously don't know that or take the time to understand it. I think you are missing the proactive vs reactive point. You guys aren't the only ones that can access seabury data. Whoa is me arctic.enjoy what you have and get involved is my advice. Nice post my own. You get it.

[Arctic84]

Allright, it seems the working conditions I mentioned are acceptable to you You will find a way to be happy. Good on ya, but they are not for me.

A union for all 8000 employees. We have a pretend one now. It's called PACT, a sad old cuckhold if ever there was one. If you can't see what the degradation of F/A and CSA jobs means to you, after hearing the boss in the media saying that "legacy costs" are a problem at our company, there is not a thing I could say that would change your POV. Perhaps when the bigwigs give themselves another 50% raise while you work for less, you can give a dissertation on leading by example.

I hope you will respect that I cannot abide any further diminishing in my WAWCON. Unlike you, I can't trust the WJPA and PACT, who are but extentions of the cop., to stop the slide in working conditions

[Squid]

Diminished wawcon!
Lol, give your head a shake. Remember when you upgraded for 70k with more days worked? You won't have the same " Clive koolaid chats" so get over the past. The ceo's will come and go as with every company.
The list goes on. Just take the time to think about before and now. What you came to calgary with and what you have now. I do know for a fact that other than doing a little line checking, you have contributed well, help us out? Dude, you got to stop thinking about only you.

[bmc]

Arctic84, why do you want to be 'represented'? Is it for new agreement negotiations? If so we could hire negotiators I suppose. If it's not that, is it because the company has arbitrarily been disciplining pilot using heavy-handed measures? If that's the case, there should be a rash of pilot terminations or Captain downgrades/suspensions...but there aren't, are there?

Like someone posted above (BMC), why do you want someone between you and management? Is that the way it was when you flew in the bush? Corporate? Flight school? Water bombing? For me, I don't need or want that layer.

I'll let you in on something, I'm a bit of a douchebag, an asshole at times, indeed a loudmouth schnook who has always believed he was smarter than everyone else in the room (without justification). It has been my fatal flaw since as long as I can remember and it has cost me personal relationships and once or twice, a job. (I speculate that it's ADHD or OCD, but I think I'm just an asshole). Several years ago, I pushed the limits of acceptable behaviour for a pilot at WJ. I received a couple of gentle suggestions from my direct manager to alter my behaviour, but I didn't pick up on the hints and continued my behaviour. Without being too specific, I now have a letter on my employment file outlining the expectations for my continued employment.

When the time came to sit down with the people you would expect to be sitting down with in order to be read the riot act, I specifically asked that no other representatives be there (WJPA). Not that I don't appreciate their work on our behalf (I do), it is simply that I am a grown man, responsible for his own decisions, and I am not afraid to face my superiors. I didn't want an interloper. And I trusted, I had faith in the fairness of the process. I know there are some who trumpet some example from the Durfy years where so-and-so and his buddy had to write letters or something. Not sure, I had no first hand knowledge of the situation, but how about we give the company a mulligan on that one, or give out the full, complete, unedited details of the complete incident so we can all make our own decisions about the managament employee relationship.

The takeaway I would like to leave you with is that the two gentlemen (both pilots) who sat down with me that day clearly did not want to be there that day, but my actions forced their hands. They expressed their disappointment of course, but I left that meeting with the clear knowledge that I would not be tarred with a moniker of 'that so-and-so'. I would not be known as "that guy who ...", rather I rejoined the ranks with no stigma.

While in hindsight I am embarrassed that I needed to be there that day, I also recognize that it was my actions that drove the process. I would sincerely ask anyone how having a union or 'representation' would have changed the process for the better. Indeed, I think the opposite would be the case (a lack of personal accountability).

Turning to corporate decisions that affect some of us negatively, it is unfortunate that this happens. But we employees don't always agree with management decisions. That is the nature of being an EMPLOYEE. We pilots are not the corprate decision takers you may think, or used to think. We drive the airplanes under the guidance of the SOPs and HR policies and Flight Safety corrective actions. That's it. It is a job.

I do feel for those who will be forced to move. All I can say is that the Ports 'experiment' is over. They tried, they really did, it's over. It should have been done years ago perhaps. I don't know about that much, I'm just a line pilot who reads the minimum number of memos required. I don't visit the WJPA forum as there's quite enough bitching there about the minutiae of life that would be antithetic to my generally upbeat attitude about life.

I do hope that those pilots agitating for change can find some peace. My own situation in life is my own and I have my own priorities. I won't be signing up for some new website so I can see those with an agenda, and those that won't realize the unintended consequences of their actions. Drama. Lots and lots of drama. Over what? A job.

Finally, it is too bad that there are competitors in business/industry. It is too bad that economics dictates things like profitability and longevity, and that forces the hands of change. But it does. So far, in my time here at WJ, I have seen many many decisions and many changes, and a few backtracks from decisions. I may not have agreed with some or all of them, but I fully believe that those who made the decisions, did so to the best of their ability, in the sincere belief that they were advancing the corporation forward. Even Durfy, even Mackenzie. I may not have liked them (I didn't know them personally), but I don't believe they were malicious or capricious in their actions.

I sat through a road show presentation last week. All I detected was a rationale presentation regarding a rationale solution to a business risk. No hidden agenda, just the facts. DaveP was there, I spoke with him personally and I am reassured that the decision to close ports was the only one to make. Que sera, sera.

That's my world as I see it. I recognize that there are forums where this issue can be discussed in private. I'm not a member of those forums so forgive my openess. I'll head back to my petunias now. Peace everyone. May you all find some measure of contentment through the changes yet to come, in life, and in your employment.

Written by someone who has been around the block a few times to gain some wisdom.

That's well written, sincere, open open post that calls reality as it is.

Management of an airline is not a conspiracy against pilots. I know that's a dificult concept for some pilots to wrap their head around. THE one thing that I have always admired, and envied, about WJ is the sense of "we're all in this together". It's sad to see it eroding. But I guess over time, growth of a company makes that happen.