Encore's Pay and Work Conditions

[flyer 1492]

I have to ask - what are you attempting to add to the discussion? I get it - you don't like Encore. That's fine. But really.. must you troll every single comment in every single thread?[/quote]

Hey, it's a free country. Enjoy the long weekend. I know I will.

Flyer

[CanadaEH]

That doesn't give you a free pass to be a douchebag.

[flyer 1492]

Careful canadaeh, the mods would not like to hear that kind of language.

Cheers,

Flyer

[pacman007]

Wjhr, is there any new info regarding flow and date of hire? I have heard the min is 12 months at encore before the flow and I've heard 24 months? How can we apply with this not hammered out?

[wjhr]

Don’t apply until your comfortable applying. Nothing released as far as I know yet. There is the min 2 year language already in the MOA with a minimum of 25% flow guaranteed. Like I said, If you aren’t comfortable applying with that current language yet, then best wait. You never know in this world of aviation. Somewhere along our careers we always have a few of those woulda shoulda coulda and glad I didn’t scenarios!

[flying4dollars]

Wjhr have calls been going out yet since your fo posting? Or are you building a pool to call from? I assume the fo positions would be quick upgrades?

[Rumors]

Is it up to the company or the WJPA as to whether Encore pilots get DOH on the mainline list?

[rudder]

Is it up to the company or the WJPA as to whether Encore pilots get DOH on the mainline list?

Nothing is up to the WJPA.

[wjhr]

Pretty sure calls have been going out and yes likely 6 months for an upgrade.
It's a collaborative thing for flow rates etc. for the MOA and anything beyond that.

[whiteguy]

Is it up to the company or the WJPA as to whether Encore pilots get DOH on the mainline list?

Nothing is up to the WJPA.

Heard FOs being hired now will not get DOH. Start at the bottom when they make the move to mainline...

[pacman007]

That's not what I heard from a reliable source.

[whiteguy]

That's not what I heard from a reliable source.

Hope so...

[pollyperkins]

Whaa Whaa Whaa....

We pilots are such a bunch a babies - we (Canada) finally get a new "real" airline with the opportunity to provide an additional employment route within a very limited industry and all we can do is bitch and moan about the pay (or lack ther of)!!!!

How about WestJet didn't take the leap and create Encore... How about they made the desicion in boardroom that "Why bother..., they're only just going to get up-in-arms about the wages - they're never see what this means as a new opportunity in the Canadian aviation industry.".

To all you "entitled" pilot types: You knew this was how the industry works (rightly or wrongly) when you took your first flying lesson with aspirations for flying the "big stuff". SHUT-Up. PUT-Up or GET-OUT!!!!!!!!!!

With respect.

[anonymity]

pollyperkins, why don't you call up this "real" airline, whatever that means, tell them you'll gladly pay for your Q type rating and work for a B scale wage. Don't forget to mention you're willing to do the same thing when it's time to move over to WJ, you seem the type!
If anyone needs to get OUT, it's you!
By the way, there is no way to say what you said, with respect, it's disrespectful to this industry to justify those wages.
One last thing, if you're going to shove your nose up wjhr's A$%, you should be posting under your own name, otherwise you're just some anonymous douche nozzle.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... e%20nozzle

[CAL]

douche nozzle
I am going to keep that in the memory bank for when I really need it.

[natural]

WJHR,
Would you be able to shed some light on how many drivers you guys are looking for this time around and the total time you're looking for in order to get a call? Thank you kindly for being available to answer our questions on regular basis....

[brooks]

This thread is getting stupid. I like some of the constructive comments but some of the people on here are really a bunch of whiners. If it isn't good enough for you then go apply somewhere else. There's tons of jobs out there for pilots with the right attitude. Yes the Encore pay is lame but believe it or not you will make more than the base salary in your first year. Keep up the good work WJHR.

[7thirtyseven]

This thread is getting stupid. I like some of the constructive comments but some of the people on here are really a bunch of whiners. If it isn't good enough for you then go apply somewhere else. There's tons of jobs out there for pilots with the right attitude. Yes the Encore pay is lame but believe it or not you will make more than the base salary in your first year. Keep up the good work WJHR.

Let me get this straight.... You're whining about the whiners??? The world is a great place, aint it?

[the AK]

WJ started in the mid 90's. Anyone with a brain can go onto google and put that starting wage into an inflation calculator and let me know what that "starting wage" looks like compared to the "starting wage" in todays money at Encore. If you still feel these low cost carriers are offering a fair wage then factor in the increase in housing and gasoline costs, just for starters. As for the argument that these places have a great company culture, well, as soon as I can pay my mortgage with great company culture I will start paying more attention. Westjet Encore has been conducting interviews over the past few months and in that time out of those who have been offered a job more have declined the position than have accepted. My hat goes off to those who said no

[volez]

It s interesting to see how people berate those pilots who accept those work conditions, but nobody has really said how much a new hire would take home after tax and what is realistic beyond those 70h block minimum.

So, to the Encore fos, could you please tell us what your take home pay is and what would be a realistic monthly deposit on top of your two bi-weekly pay cheque ?

You can pm me as well.

Cheers

[flyer 1492]

At 38.00/ hr X 70 hours per month would give you a salary of 31,920 for the year. When you take 15% tax off (4,788.00) you are left with 27.132.00 when divided by 26 pay periods would give you 1,043.54. I didn't factor in health cost benefits, CPP, EI payments or the very lucrative 10% pension plan, if you did I bet the take home pay would be south of 900.00 a pay day.

Flyer 1492

[dhc#]

Monthly minimum guarantee is going up from 70 to 80 paid hrs next month on a one year temporary basis (in part because of disparity between hours worked and hours on duty and for other reasons), most are working 20 days/month, some even more, people are getting very tired these dark days of winter, an inefficient route and scheduling structure due to lack of planes and crews and too many routes to satisfy an aggresive expansion plan...they say it will improve

[flyer 1492]

Okay, so they raised the bar because nobody can live on 70 hours minimum. At 80 hours you will bring home 36,480.00 per year. Income tax will take 5472.00 leaving you 31,008 or 1192.00 before the other deductions. You will be lucky to have just over 900 in your pocket.

[FL020]

Flyer 1492, you post actual numbers, that are insanely grotesque at best. I Must ask myself why, and how some of the guys do this to themselves!!?

1000 bucks for rent, where's the remaining 900 going

[CpnCrunch]

Flyer 1492, you post actual numbers, that are insanely grotesque at best. I Must ask myself why, and how some of the guys do this to themselves!!?

1000 bucks for rent, where's the remaining 900 going

That 1000 bucks is every 2 weeks, not every month.

Using the payroll deductions online calculator, the net salary is $2433/month after tax, CPP and EI if you live in Alberta. It's not great, but you could certainly afford to live on that if you're single.