American license.

[lownslow]

Thanks, I couldn't remember if it was a rating or endorsement. For those who have done it, will presenting my logbook at the FSDO be sufficient for the endorsement or would further training in the US be required?

LnS.

[thorongil]

Thanks, I couldn't remember if it was a rating or endorsement. For those who have done it, will presenting my logbook at the FSDO be sufficient for the endorsement or would further training in the US be required?

LnS.

I do not think that a FSDO inspector will give you an endorsement - as the endorsement is normally given by the flight instructor who did your tailwheel training.

Have you flown tailwheel aircraft before the April 1991 grandfathering date - if yes - that should be sufficient.

If not - then this is an interesting question - how would FAA interpret it. I would call AOPA or COPA if you are a member and ask for their opinion. Or you could try to call a FSDO near the border (Detroit for example) and try to get an inspector on the phone and ask - but these days it may be hard to get a live person on the phone.

[Adam Oke]

I am potentially ferrying an N-Registered AT-401 Walter (750HP) from the US to Canada, which is classified as a high performance tail wheel aircraft in the states. I believe these are two separate logbook endorsement in the FAA. I do not have anything in my logbook. However, I do have a sim training certificate from Central Ag Aero in Florida for AT-401W/402/502 which is recognized by Canadian and US insurance companies, and I also have a Canadian training certificate for turbine transition which was flown on an AT-504 and is recognized by Canadian insurance companies.

Will I run into any trouble getting a Verification of Authenticity of Foreign License, Rating, and Medical Certification under FAR 61.75 for the purpose of ferrying this Air Tractor? Another thing to add is that I do have time on type.

[Colonel Sanders]

I do not have anything in my logbook

Get an FAA CFI to sign off your logbook.

I don't need the signatures - I'm grandfathered.

Fax the verification form off to OKC, then book an
appointment at a FSDO. They don't care about any
training or certificates or anything - just your TC licence
booklet.

[Adam Oke]

I do not have anything in my logbook

Get an FAA CFI to sign off your logbook.

I don't need the signatures - I'm grandfathered.

Fax the verification form off to OKC, then book an
appointment at a FSDO. They don't care about any
training or certificates or anything - just your TC licence
booklet.

Thanks. Assuming they will blindly sign my logbook, that shouldn't be a problem because I am a bordering city with quick state side access.

Also, I am looking at doing this flight within the next few weeks. How fast is the process for just the verification?

[Colonel Sanders]

How fast is the process

For just the verification letter? Depends on
how much pain Obama wants you to feel
from sequestration, I guess. Perhaps a month
for the letter, then you need to contact an
FSDO and pay them a visit.

Assuming they will blindly sign my logbook

Hopefully they won't want you to register
with the DHS for alien flight training.

[Adam Oke]

How fast is the process

For just the verification letter? Depends on
how much pain Obama wants you to feel
from sequestration, I guess. Perhaps a month
for the letter, then you need to contact an
FSDO and pay them a visit.

Jeeze! I might as well go for a full FAA CPL at that rate. I bet it wouldn't take too much longer for the full license!

[Colonel Sanders]

re: logbook endorsements required for HP, CMP, TW:

See FAR 61.31:

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c= ... 1.2.1.1.21

e) Additional training required for operating complex airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a complex airplane, unless the person has—

(i) Received and logged ground and flight training from an authorized instructor in a complex airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a complex airplane, and has been found proficient in the operation and systems of the airplane; and

(ii) Received a one-time endorsement in the pilot's logbook from an authorized instructor who certifies the person is proficient to operate a complex airplane.

(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (e)(1) of this section is not required if the person has logged flight time as pilot in command of a complex airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a complex airplane prior to August 4, 1997.



(f) Additional training required for operating high-performance airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (f)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a high-performance airplane (an airplane with an engine of more than 200 horsepower), unless the person has—

(i) Received and logged ground and flight training from an authorized instructor in a high-performance airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a high-performance airplane, and has been found proficient in the operation and systems of the airplane; and

(ii) Received a one-time endorsement in the pilot's logbook from an authorized instructor who certifies the person is proficient to operate a high-performance airplane.

(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (f)(1) of this section is not required if the person has logged flight time as pilot in command of a high-performance airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a high-performance airplane prior to August 4, 1997.



(i) Additional training required for operating tailwheel airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a tailwheel airplane unless that person has received and logged flight training from an authorized instructor in a tailwheel airplane and received an endorsement in the person's logbook from an authorized instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a tailwheel airplane. The flight training must include at least the following maneuvers and procedures:

(i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings;

(ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such landings); and

(iii) Go-around procedures.

(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (i)(1) of this section is not required if the person logged pilot-in-command time in a tailwheel airplane before April 15, 1991.

[Colonel Sanders]

I bet it wouldn't take too much longer for the full license!

Not so sure. It sounds simple to convert under
the IPL (medical, small written) but it took me 3
years to get the FAA, a FSDO, TC, and my licence
and medical all in sync.

[Adam Oke]

Next question. Rather than jumping through those hoops...are you aware of any form of ferry permit? i.e. Remove it from the N-Registry and apply for some form of ferry permit to move the now "non-airworthy" aircraft to our Canadian facility to be Canadian registered? (under a Canadian license)

EDIT: Would TC's special flight permit suffice? http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/wwwdocs/Forms/2 ... 7-05_E.pdf

[Colonel Sanders]

Sure. If you are importing it, you can de-register
it with the FAA and apply to TC for a C of R and a
provisional C of A for the ferry flight home with the
C-letters on it.

I can't remember if TC wants an export C of A
from an FAA DAR for that or not, though. I'm
not a big fan of export C of A's.

507.03 Issue of Special Certificates of Airworthiness

(1) A special certificate of airworthiness (Special C of A) is issued for an aircraft that does not meet all the requirements for a certificate of airworthiness, in any one of the following classifications:

(a) Provisional;

(2) Special Certificate of Airworthiness - Provisional

A Special C of A in the Provisional classification is issued for an aircraft for which a provisional type certificate has been issued.

7.2 PROVISIONAL CERTIFICATE OF REGISTRATION AND FERRY PERMIT

CARs 202.17(2)(a), CAR 202.37(1) and Standard 222.37(1)

If an aircraft is removed from a foreign register while located outside Canada or is a new foreign-manufactured aircraft, a Provisional Certificate of Registration and Ferry Permit (form 26-0025) will allow the aircraft to be flown into Canada with Canadian registration marks affixed. It can also be issued to aircraft that are not registered, but need to be operated to transport it from one location in Canada to another location in Canada. The form requires the approval of General Aviation for the registration portion and Maintenance and Manufacturing for the ferry portion. A Provisional Certificate of Registration is valid only in Canadian airspace and expires upon completion of the flight or on the specified expiry date, whichever occurs first. Approval must be obtained from the foreign aviation authority for flight in foreign airspace.

These steps should be followed when issuing a Provisional Certificate of Registration:

1.Obtain name and address of applicant and model and serial number of the aircraft and the registration marks allotted. There is no specific application form.

2.The point of departure and destination and any test flight requirements for the aircraft is also required.

3.A fee of $65 applies for the Provisional Certificate of Registration and a $45 fee applies for the Flight Permit (Note: These are considered two separate civil aviation documents and, although appearing on the same form, both of these fees apply).

4.Ensure notification that the aircraft is not on a foreign register has been received. If not, the applicant may send one directly to the Region.

5.Prepare and print the document through CCARCS. The date of issue is the date that the document is prepared and the expiry date should be 30 days from the date of issue. It can be adjusted should circumstances require more than 30 days.

6.The issued document must be signed in Part A by a General Aviation Inspector or Licensing Officer and in Part B by a Maintenance and Manufacturing Inspector.

7.A copy of the Provisional Certificate of Registration and Flight Permit goes to Headquarters. A copy will stay on the aircraft file and the original will go to the applicant. It may also be sent to the applicant by facsimile.

[Adam Oke]

Sure. If you are importing it, you can de-register
it with the FAA and apply to TC for a C of R and a
provisional C of A for the ferry flight home with the
C-letters on it.

I can't remember if TC wants an export C of A
from an FAA DAR for that or not, though. I'm
not a big fan of export C of A's.

Yes, it is an import. We may have to go this route but for some reason the boss wanted to do the C of R, and C of A here if we could ... hence looking into a verification certificate. Thanks for the help!