english is no longer the universal language of aviation

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Re: english is no longer the universal language of aviation

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Not sure why you resurrected a year old topic :?
cpt.sam wrote:
KK7 wrote:Fly outside of N. America and you'll see that all languages are spoken on the radio. I'm in Chile right now, they speak Spanish on the radio.
Question;
Do they speak random languages until English is spoken, then revert to English?

Spanish is not a random language in Chile.
French is not a random language in Canada.
Russian is not a random language in Russia.
You won't hear French in Chile, Spanish in Russia or Russian in Canada.
You get the idea.

English speaking aircraft will be treated in English in controlled airspace, I don't think it will prevent others to speak in their own country's language if it makes their own life easier.
In uncontrolled airspace, yes they will probably revert in English. Only if they can handle it good enough though.

I did some survey a few years ago in Algeria which involved a lot of coordination/talking on the radio. And I mean a lot!
Started doing it in English by habit and also by respect to the on board English only speaking survey operator.
After a few days of this, I asked his permission to do all my radio com in French "Sure, no problem if: It makes your life easier"
Boy was he right on this one!

It cut in half the amount of transmission and basically removed any kind of misinterpretation from both parties.

Bad English accent can be a b!tch to understand sometime.... And trust me, you don't want to get it wrong when overflying with your little Caravan some local air force base at 300 feet agl!

Another time in Mali, two crew aircraft, both of us unable to understand a word of what was said to us.
I reverted in French (with permission from the other) did the com and translated each time. That was that or being pretty much NORDO.

These examples are a bit extreme but it shows you that English speaking on the radio doesn't always work as predicted.
Like said above, no matter what you think (unfortunately) we really have it good in Canada.
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Re: english is no longer the universal language of aviation

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Old Dog Flying wrote:
ant_321 wrote:I find it scary on Montreal center when everyone is speaking French and I only understand 1/4 of what's going on. I can only imagine flying into somewhere where everyone is speaking mandarin.
Welcome to the Fraser Valley Combat Zone aka Glenn Valley Practice Area.

Barney
I flew past Glenn Valley today when I was flying to CYPS, you can understand maybe 1/4 of the people on frequency, and its always super busy in there. Chilliwack airport is awful as well for peoples RT.
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Re: english is no longer the universal language of aviation

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TG wrote:Not sure why you resurrected a year old topic :?
cpt.sam wrote:
KK7 wrote:Fly outside of N. America and you'll see that all languages are spoken on the radio. I'm in Chile right now, they speak Spanish on the radio.
Question;
Do they speak random languages until English is spoken, then revert to English?

Spanish is not a random language in Chile.
French is not a random language in Canada.
Russian is not a random language in Russia.
You won't hear French in Chile, Spanish in Russia or Russian in Canada.
You get the idea.

English speaking aircraft will be treated in English in controlled airspace, I don't think it will prevent others to speak in their own country's language if it makes their own life easier.
In uncontrolled airspace, yes they will probably revert in English. Only if they can handle it good enough though.

I did some survey a few years ago in Algeria which involved a lot of coordination/talking on the radio. And I mean a lot!
Started doing it in English by habit and also by respect to the on board English only speaking survey operator.
After a few days of this, I asked his permission to do all my radio com in French "Sure, no problem if: It makes your life easier"
Boy was he right on this one!

It cut in half the amount of transmission and basically removed any kind of misinterpretation from both parties.

Bad English accent can be a b!tch to understand sometime.... And trust me, you don't want to get it wrong when overflying with your little Caravan some local air force base at 300 feet agl!

Another time in Mali, two crew aircraft, both of us unable to understand a word of what was said to us.
I reverted in French (with permission from the other) did the com and translated each time. That was that or being pretty much NORDO.

These examples are a bit extreme but it shows you that English speaking on the radio doesn't always work as predicted.
Like said above, no matter what you think (unfortunately) we really have it good in Canada.
This is nice story
I appreciate your time to shine your light here!
accents do indeed cause confusion.
i chuckle when i hear a/c read back oceanic clearances in yqx, the controllers rarely accept it the first try!
BUT,
all Canadian pilots speak English
if there is confusion over the position of conflicting traffic in non radar airspace, common sense sense should prevail
comms should be in English!
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Re: english is no longer the universal language of aviation

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A common sense would dictate to develop a traffic control system that does not require human language. Common sense unfortunately is not common.
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akoch wrote:A common sense would dictate to develop a traffic control system that does not require human language. Common sense unfortunately is not common.
certainly not common enough
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They are speaking English in some places still.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviatio ... lator.html
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Re: english is no longer the universal language of aviation

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A common sense would dictate to develop a traffic control system that does not require human language. Common sense unfortunately is not common.
The future is here. Google FANS and NEXTGEN and in particular CPDLC and ADS-B and ADS-C. And while you're at it check this out:
Guys operating the heavy iron will already be familiar with all this.
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Re: english is no longer the universal language of aviation

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Well, it is inevitable wether in this format or a different one. Only a question when.
It still does not mean that the VFR goes away. But it will mean that a guy taking 5 minutes to give the world an update about his position and intentions, and plans for the evening asking for the conflicting aircraft to please advise will not have as much of chance to enjoy his masculine real pilot voice on the radio as often and as much. This seems to upset greatly a substantial part of the pilot population.

In my experience it is only when these pilots step up to the IFR world the radio work finally becomes up to the certain standard, and the notion of the "speak English damn you" somehow does not exist anymore.
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