Condolences to all involved. I can't even remember the last accident involving the WFC.
http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/10/29 ... nashville/
RIP.
DC
(There are some very strange details about this accident. I'm sure speculation will ensure, but a pilot died, remember.)
Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
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Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
Read it crashed around 3AM and wasn't noticed until 915am when the wreckage was spotted by a taxiing aircraft.
Local Nashville coverage
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Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
Sad story..
Forgive me if this question is even answered somewhere in the news coverage, but wouldn't Nashville International have a manned control tower, even at 3:00am? Seems odd that nobody would be monitoring traffic around a relatively large airport, regardless of the time of day.
Forgive me if this question is even answered somewhere in the news coverage, but wouldn't Nashville International have a manned control tower, even at 3:00am? Seems odd that nobody would be monitoring traffic around a relatively large airport, regardless of the time of day.
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Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
This is an interesting quote:
“He flew to Nashville, he tried to land on the runway there and apparently it was fogged in,” said Gillies, who spent much of the day Tuesday dealing with authorities in relation to the crash. “Now I don’t know why he did that, but that’s what he did. He tried to land anyway, and it didn’t work.”
Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
A common mistake for Canadian pilots flying in the US is to forget to open their US flight plan with FSS after takeoff. Perhaps he'd landed elsewhere to clear customs.
It's unlikely that his flight was direct to Nashville; although it is a port of entry customs hours there are given as 8am-5pm.
The AF/D says the control tower is staffed 24 hours.
It's unlikely that his flight was direct to Nashville; although it is a port of entry customs hours there are given as 8am-5pm.
The AF/D says the control tower is staffed 24 hours.
Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
“I have no idea what the hell he was doing in Nashville."
Is another strange quote. Possibility there may not have even been a flight plan? But he would have been intercepted before making it to Tennesee, but again just speculation. I'm sure more will come out in due time.
Is another strange quote. Possibility there may not have even been a flight plan? But he would have been intercepted before making it to Tennesee, but again just speculation. I'm sure more will come out in due time.
Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
KBNA tower is 24hrs. This is very strange. Much more to be found out for sure.
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Windsor pilot killed in Nashville airport crash, C-GRJH
Windsor pilot killed in Nashville airport crash, wreckage goes unnoticed for hours
WINDSOR, Ont.
The Canadian Press
Published Wednesday, Oct. 30 2013, 11:39 AM EDT
A pilot from Windsor, Ont., has been killed in a crash at Nashville’s international airport that wasn’t noticed for hours, according to Windsor radio station CKLW.
The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board says the crash of the small plane is thought to have happened after 3 a.m. on Tuesday.
Spokesman Peter Knudson says a fire began after the plane went down but the wreckage was only spotted about six hours later by the crew of another passing plane.
The Windsor Flying Club has confirmed that the pilot killed was one of their members.
President David Gillies isn’t releasing a name but says the pilot had been licensed for quite a while.
Maintenance records show the plane was in good working order and fully capable of making the trip from Windsor to Nashville.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... e15155301/
UPDATE: Taxiing plane discovered fatal crash at Nashville airport
UPDATE: 3:13 p.m.
The plane that crashed onto one of Nashville International Airport’s runways Tuesday sat there for as long as six hours before another taxiing plane discovered the wreckage, an official said.
The small, single-engine Cessna-172 crashed sometime after 3 a.m., killing the pilot, according to National Transportation Safety Board spokesman Peter Knudson. The crash was reported to Nashville emergency crews shortly after 9 a.m.
An NTSB investigator was dispatched to Nashville Tuesday to probe the crash further.
“We will want to understand what the circumstances were that caused it to go undiscovered for so long,” Knudson said.
The plane is registered to the Windsor Flying club in Ontario. An official at the organization would not comment Tuesday.
The Davidson County Medical Examiner would not comment on the crash victim’s identity.
UPDATE: 1:39 p.m.
The National Transportation Safety Board has announced they are investigating the fatal plane crash at Nashville International Airport.
The crash, which was discovered this morning, took place last night, according to the agency's official Twitter account.
Reported earlier
The FAA is currently on the scene of a a small airplane crash at the Nashville International Airport. A Nashville emergency dispatcher reported one fatality.
Airport spokeswoman Emily Richard said emergency responders are on the scene of the crash on the center runway. The Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority said a single-engine Cessna-172 crashed there.
Airport emergency personnel, Metro Police, Metro Fire and Metro OEM responded to the accident. The medical examiner and an accident investigator from National Transportation Safety Board were also notified.
Runway 2 Center is currently closed. The other three runways are open and operational. There were no delays to commercial flights Monday, and travelers were coming and going normally.
According to the Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority, the plane crash happened on Runway 2 Center involving a private aircraft, Cessna-172 single engine plane.
Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority emergency personnel, Metro Police, Metro Fire and Metro OEM responded to the accident. Aviation experts from FAA Flight Standards are on the scene.
Medical examiner and an accident investigator from NTSB have been notified.
Runway 2 Center is currently closed. The other three runways are open and operational. There are currently no delays.
Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority said it is cooperating fully with the investigation.
Details surrounding the crash are still unclear. Check Tennessean.com for updates on this developing story.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20131 ... ck_check=1
Small plane crashes at big airport; no one notices
By Mike M. Ahlers, CNN
updated 10:09 PM EDT, Tue October 29, 2013
CNN) -- Authorities struggled to explain how a small plane crashed at an international airport, erupted in fire, but evidently went unnoticed for hours.
The incident occurred early Tuesday in Nashville.
But exactly what time remains a mystery.
The single-engine Cessna registered to the Windsor Flying Club in Ontario, Canada, evidently crashed sometime after 3 a.m. local time, according to the National Transportation Safety Board.
But it wasn't noticed until well after sunrise when another plane taxiing for take-off saw an engine cover on the edge of runway 2C -- the middle of three parallel runways.
Controllers contacted airport personnel, who found the fire-scarred wreckage. The plane's sole occupant was dead, officials said.
The airport's control tower is staffed 24 hours a day, the Federal Aviation Administration told CNN. But it was not immediately clear how many controllers were in the tower during the overnight shift.
An FAA spokesman said there was low visibility overnight and fog.
Another FAA spokesman said it was not known whether the plane had been in contact with controllers, or if it had made a distress call.
The agency declined to answer questions, saying the matter was under investigation.
Airport spokeswoman Shannon Sumrall referred all questions to the NTSB.
The board spokesman, Peter Knudson, said the aircraft suffered a post-crash fire and the cause of the crash is under investigation.
The name of the victim was not released.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/us/plane-crash-mystery/
Windsor pilot dies in Nashville plane crash, not noticed for hours
By Heather Loney Global News
NTSB spokesman Peter Knudson said a fire began after the plane went down but the wreckage was only spotted about six hours later by the crew of another passing plane.
http://globalnews.ca/news/934338/1-dead ... ying-club/
Local man dead after Windsor-registered plane crashes in Nashville
A local man was killed Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2013 when the plane he was flying crashed at an airport in Nashville, Tenn. Dense fog conditions were reported and the wreckage may not have been found by a taxiing plane until several hours after the crash. Photo courtesy of NewsChannel5.com
Chris Thompson
Oct 29, 2013 - 6:40 PM EDT
NASHVILLE — A local man is dead after the plane he rented from the Windsor Flying Club crashed at Nashville International Airport in heavy fog early Tuesday.
Windsor Flying Club president David Gillies said the man in his 30s, who is not being named pending the notification of next-of-kin, picked up the keys from the club at around 4 p.m. Monday, and was scheduled to leave sometime after 8 p.m., when the club’s offices close.
“He flew to Nashville, he tried to land on the runway there and apparently it was fogged in,” said Gillies, who spent much of the day Tuesday dealing with authorities in relation to the crash.
“Now I don’t know why he did that, but that’s what he did. He tried to land anyway, and it didn’t work.”
Gillies said the man, who had been a pilot since 1989, had rejoined the club in 2011 after a five-year absence.
“He was a member in good standing, his licence was in good standing, he was qualified to fly at night, there was no irregularities there, just he probably didn’t check the weather, or it closed in after he checked it,” said Gillies.
“I have no idea what the hell he was doing in Nashville.”
The deceased man provided no next-of-kin information and listed a Howard Avenue address, which was not current Tuesday. Members were unaware of any family connections.
Windsor police and RCMP are attempting to track down the man’s next-of-kin, Gillies said.
According to Nashville television station website newschannel5.com, emergency crews were called to the scene at around 9 a.m., after the wreckage was discovered by another taxiing aircraft; the crash may have occurred as much as six hours earlier in heavy fog.
Gillies said a flight from Windsor to Nashville in a Cessna 172, which cruises at about 180 km/h, would take about four hours.
The severely damaged plane was registered in Canada as “C-GRJH.”
Officials with the Federal Aviation Administration and Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority told newschannel5.com that the single-engine plane crashed off the side of the runway.
The runway was closed as investigators examined debris scattered across a wide area.
The airport’s three other runways remained open.
An investigator with the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board was en route to Nashville to investigate the crash.
Click here to watch a video about the crash.
WINDSOR, Ont.
The Canadian Press
Published Wednesday, Oct. 30 2013, 11:39 AM EDT
A pilot from Windsor, Ont., has been killed in a crash at Nashville’s international airport that wasn’t noticed for hours, according to Windsor radio station CKLW.
The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board says the crash of the small plane is thought to have happened after 3 a.m. on Tuesday.
Spokesman Peter Knudson says a fire began after the plane went down but the wreckage was only spotted about six hours later by the crew of another passing plane.
The Windsor Flying Club has confirmed that the pilot killed was one of their members.
President David Gillies isn’t releasing a name but says the pilot had been licensed for quite a while.
Maintenance records show the plane was in good working order and fully capable of making the trip from Windsor to Nashville.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... e15155301/
UPDATE: Taxiing plane discovered fatal crash at Nashville airport
UPDATE: 3:13 p.m.
The plane that crashed onto one of Nashville International Airport’s runways Tuesday sat there for as long as six hours before another taxiing plane discovered the wreckage, an official said.
The small, single-engine Cessna-172 crashed sometime after 3 a.m., killing the pilot, according to National Transportation Safety Board spokesman Peter Knudson. The crash was reported to Nashville emergency crews shortly after 9 a.m.
An NTSB investigator was dispatched to Nashville Tuesday to probe the crash further.
“We will want to understand what the circumstances were that caused it to go undiscovered for so long,” Knudson said.
The plane is registered to the Windsor Flying club in Ontario. An official at the organization would not comment Tuesday.
The Davidson County Medical Examiner would not comment on the crash victim’s identity.
UPDATE: 1:39 p.m.
The National Transportation Safety Board has announced they are investigating the fatal plane crash at Nashville International Airport.
The crash, which was discovered this morning, took place last night, according to the agency's official Twitter account.
Reported earlier
The FAA is currently on the scene of a a small airplane crash at the Nashville International Airport. A Nashville emergency dispatcher reported one fatality.
Airport spokeswoman Emily Richard said emergency responders are on the scene of the crash on the center runway. The Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority said a single-engine Cessna-172 crashed there.
Airport emergency personnel, Metro Police, Metro Fire and Metro OEM responded to the accident. The medical examiner and an accident investigator from National Transportation Safety Board were also notified.
Runway 2 Center is currently closed. The other three runways are open and operational. There were no delays to commercial flights Monday, and travelers were coming and going normally.
According to the Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority, the plane crash happened on Runway 2 Center involving a private aircraft, Cessna-172 single engine plane.
Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority emergency personnel, Metro Police, Metro Fire and Metro OEM responded to the accident. Aviation experts from FAA Flight Standards are on the scene.
Medical examiner and an accident investigator from NTSB have been notified.
Runway 2 Center is currently closed. The other three runways are open and operational. There are currently no delays.
Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority said it is cooperating fully with the investigation.
Details surrounding the crash are still unclear. Check Tennessean.com for updates on this developing story.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20131 ... ck_check=1
Small plane crashes at big airport; no one notices
By Mike M. Ahlers, CNN
updated 10:09 PM EDT, Tue October 29, 2013
CNN) -- Authorities struggled to explain how a small plane crashed at an international airport, erupted in fire, but evidently went unnoticed for hours.
The incident occurred early Tuesday in Nashville.
But exactly what time remains a mystery.
The single-engine Cessna registered to the Windsor Flying Club in Ontario, Canada, evidently crashed sometime after 3 a.m. local time, according to the National Transportation Safety Board.
But it wasn't noticed until well after sunrise when another plane taxiing for take-off saw an engine cover on the edge of runway 2C -- the middle of three parallel runways.
Controllers contacted airport personnel, who found the fire-scarred wreckage. The plane's sole occupant was dead, officials said.
The airport's control tower is staffed 24 hours a day, the Federal Aviation Administration told CNN. But it was not immediately clear how many controllers were in the tower during the overnight shift.
An FAA spokesman said there was low visibility overnight and fog.
Another FAA spokesman said it was not known whether the plane had been in contact with controllers, or if it had made a distress call.
The agency declined to answer questions, saying the matter was under investigation.
Airport spokeswoman Shannon Sumrall referred all questions to the NTSB.
The board spokesman, Peter Knudson, said the aircraft suffered a post-crash fire and the cause of the crash is under investigation.
The name of the victim was not released.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/us/plane-crash-mystery/
Windsor pilot dies in Nashville plane crash, not noticed for hours
By Heather Loney Global News
NTSB spokesman Peter Knudson said a fire began after the plane went down but the wreckage was only spotted about six hours later by the crew of another passing plane.
http://globalnews.ca/news/934338/1-dead ... ying-club/
Local man dead after Windsor-registered plane crashes in Nashville
A local man was killed Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2013 when the plane he was flying crashed at an airport in Nashville, Tenn. Dense fog conditions were reported and the wreckage may not have been found by a taxiing plane until several hours after the crash. Photo courtesy of NewsChannel5.com
Chris Thompson
Oct 29, 2013 - 6:40 PM EDT
NASHVILLE — A local man is dead after the plane he rented from the Windsor Flying Club crashed at Nashville International Airport in heavy fog early Tuesday.
Windsor Flying Club president David Gillies said the man in his 30s, who is not being named pending the notification of next-of-kin, picked up the keys from the club at around 4 p.m. Monday, and was scheduled to leave sometime after 8 p.m., when the club’s offices close.
“He flew to Nashville, he tried to land on the runway there and apparently it was fogged in,” said Gillies, who spent much of the day Tuesday dealing with authorities in relation to the crash.
“Now I don’t know why he did that, but that’s what he did. He tried to land anyway, and it didn’t work.”
Gillies said the man, who had been a pilot since 1989, had rejoined the club in 2011 after a five-year absence.
“He was a member in good standing, his licence was in good standing, he was qualified to fly at night, there was no irregularities there, just he probably didn’t check the weather, or it closed in after he checked it,” said Gillies.
“I have no idea what the hell he was doing in Nashville.”
The deceased man provided no next-of-kin information and listed a Howard Avenue address, which was not current Tuesday. Members were unaware of any family connections.
Windsor police and RCMP are attempting to track down the man’s next-of-kin, Gillies said.
According to Nashville television station website newschannel5.com, emergency crews were called to the scene at around 9 a.m., after the wreckage was discovered by another taxiing aircraft; the crash may have occurred as much as six hours earlier in heavy fog.
Gillies said a flight from Windsor to Nashville in a Cessna 172, which cruises at about 180 km/h, would take about four hours.
The severely damaged plane was registered in Canada as “C-GRJH.”
Officials with the Federal Aviation Administration and Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority told newschannel5.com that the single-engine plane crashed off the side of the runway.
The runway was closed as investigators examined debris scattered across a wide area.
The airport’s three other runways remained open.
An investigator with the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board was en route to Nashville to investigate the crash.
Click here to watch a video about the crash.
Re: Windsor pilot killed in Nashville airport crash, C-GRJH
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Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
With a thickening fog there, which had started before midnight, there would be little the controllers can do but wait once a pilot is no longer responding to a transmission and no-one has reported a crash. The airport area at Nashville is huge, and apparently the crash site is in the middle there somewhere.GyvAir wrote: Seems odd that nobody would be monitoring traffic around a relatively large airport, regardless of the time of day.
Looks like everywhere else was fogging in too, but the pilot would only have been able to find out about actual fog-ins (let alone severity) while enroute and if asking. Judging by the reports of the small size of fire there was not much fuel; without other traffic around in the wee hours of the morning, no-one saw the smaller fire from above or sideways (from the proximity of the tower); it's an unusually dense fog they are describing in the news. The 172 was apparently found immediately as the fog ended in the morning.
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Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
All fine and well PDW, but where was the ELT signal? there is also primary and secondary radar surveillance, it wasn't an F117 he was in where he could do a sneak attack bombing run of the airfield, it was a 172
Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
With the tail burned, the ELT would be gone quick too (or the antennae snapped off etc) ... and from the photos looks like burning fuel already scattered along the ground scar.
... must have been cleared to land already ... turn left at the intersection etc ... what other explanation is there
... did he wipe out after touchdown ?
... must have been cleared to land already ... turn left at the intersection etc ... what other explanation is there
... did he wipe out after touchdown ?
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Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
You're making some big assumptions there...
The airplane wasn't seen for 6hrs, who knows how long it took to burn or smolder to the state its in now...
IF he was cleared to land, he would have needed clearance to taxi too, sometimes at late hours the air controller and ground controller are the same, don't know about Nashville, but the ground controller would know he was there....
A lot of questions to be answered......we hope!
The airplane wasn't seen for 6hrs, who knows how long it took to burn or smolder to the state its in now...
IF he was cleared to land, he would have needed clearance to taxi too, sometimes at late hours the air controller and ground controller are the same, don't know about Nashville, but the ground controller would know he was there....
A lot of questions to be answered......we hope!
Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
I think the crash happened before 9z. This is as far back as is available at this time on the American ADDS site. Didn't get above 1 mile till after 11am.
KBNA 291616Z 05004KT 3SM BR SCT004 BKN047 BKN100 15/13 A3031 RMK AO2
KBNA 291553Z 07003KT 1SM R02L/P6000FT BCFG BR BKN002 OVC004 14/13 A3031 RMK AO2 PK WND 36027/1500 SLP263 NO PK WND T01440128
KBNA 291453Z 07003KT 1/2SM R02L/1600V2800FT FG OVC002 13/13 A3031 RMK AO2 SLP263 T01330128 50008
KBNA 291437Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/1400V4500FT FG OVC002 13/13 A3032 RMK AO2
KBNA 291423Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/1200V5000FT FG VV002 13/12 A3032 RMK AO2
KBNA 291353Z 12003KT 1/8SM R02L/1000V1800FT FG VV002 12/12 A3032 RMK AO2 SLP265 T01220117
KBNA 291322Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/1000V1400FT FG VV002 12/11 A3031 RMK AO2
KBNA 291253Z 19003KT 1/8SM R02L/0700V1000FT FG VV001 12/11 A3030 RMK AO2 SLP258 T01170111
KBNA 291212Z 08003KT 1/8SM R02L/1000V1600FT FG VV001 12/11 A3028 RMK AO2
KBNA 291153Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/1200V1400FT FG VV001 11/11 A3029 RMK AO2 SLP255 T01110106 10122 20111 50001
KBNA 291053Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/0800V1000FT FG VV001 11/11 A3031 RMK AO2 SLP260 T01110106
KBNA 290953Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/0800V1200FT FG VV001 12/11 A3028 RMK AO2 SLP252 T01170111
KBNA 291616Z 05004KT 3SM BR SCT004 BKN047 BKN100 15/13 A3031 RMK AO2
KBNA 291553Z 07003KT 1SM R02L/P6000FT BCFG BR BKN002 OVC004 14/13 A3031 RMK AO2 PK WND 36027/1500 SLP263 NO PK WND T01440128
KBNA 291453Z 07003KT 1/2SM R02L/1600V2800FT FG OVC002 13/13 A3031 RMK AO2 SLP263 T01330128 50008
KBNA 291437Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/1400V4500FT FG OVC002 13/13 A3032 RMK AO2
KBNA 291423Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/1200V5000FT FG VV002 13/12 A3032 RMK AO2
KBNA 291353Z 12003KT 1/8SM R02L/1000V1800FT FG VV002 12/12 A3032 RMK AO2 SLP265 T01220117
KBNA 291322Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/1000V1400FT FG VV002 12/11 A3031 RMK AO2
KBNA 291253Z 19003KT 1/8SM R02L/0700V1000FT FG VV001 12/11 A3030 RMK AO2 SLP258 T01170111
KBNA 291212Z 08003KT 1/8SM R02L/1000V1600FT FG VV001 12/11 A3028 RMK AO2
KBNA 291153Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/1200V1400FT FG VV001 11/11 A3029 RMK AO2 SLP255 T01110106 10122 20111 50001
KBNA 291053Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/0800V1000FT FG VV001 11/11 A3031 RMK AO2 SLP260 T01110106
KBNA 290953Z 00000KT 1/4SM R02L/0800V1200FT FG VV001 12/11 A3028 RMK AO2 SLP252 T01170111
Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
There is definitely more to the story. No IFR flight plan is showing up on tracking sites so he must have got caught flying into IFR conditions. One possibility I could see is trying to fly an ILS to get down. Possible that the lights were visible vertically but as soon as you get down into thick fog like that, trying to transition into a flare, all visibility lost. Easy enough to get way off the centerline in that. 800 RVR is awful bad for someone that maybe shouldn't be in IFR conditions.
BUT how on earth did they not realize he'd crashed until after the fog lifts? This is what doesn't make sense. Or is it that they couldn't contact him and suspect he's crashed but their hands were tied and couldn't initiate a response because of the low vis. Maybe we haven't heard anything because the FAA won't say what really happened.
There is certainly something to be learned here. I'm sorry that this pilot is going to teach it to us. Condolences.
BUT how on earth did they not realize he'd crashed until after the fog lifts? This is what doesn't make sense. Or is it that they couldn't contact him and suspect he's crashed but their hands were tied and couldn't initiate a response because of the low vis. Maybe we haven't heard anything because the FAA won't say what really happened.
There is certainly something to be learned here. I'm sorry that this pilot is going to teach it to us. Condolences.
Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
So the pilot that spotted the wreckage ... was taxxiing ... must have been when it was still the half-mile vis.
Lots of places to disappear at that airport, so who knows how Ground could have missed him; just hope we don't hear later about controller fatigue etc ... not impossible either.
Lots of places to disappear at that airport, so who knows how Ground could have missed him; just hope we don't hear later about controller fatigue etc ... not impossible either.
Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
The flight would have made good enough time to Nashville, ... a component mainly from North for most of the trip.
Re the Windsor Star Article:
How low would a small plane have needed to fly to go undetected to/from the Put-in-Bay airport USA, 15nm southwest of Pelee Island Airport.
If this article content is verified, then the rest of the way past Pelee / Put in Bay area would have to be flown/filed as an N number ? Then let's see, how else can ATC be fooled ... hmm ... in fog can't see the ID.
Who knows, in the end might find it actually crashed on take-off, if all the USA flying is intended to take place under the cover of darkness and to return on that same flightpath before daylight, would have to have quick-turned around by 3 AM.
Re the Windsor Star Article:
How low would a small plane have needed to fly to go undetected to/from the Put-in-Bay airport USA, 15nm southwest of Pelee Island Airport.
If this article content is verified, then the rest of the way past Pelee / Put in Bay area would have to be flown/filed as an N number ? Then let's see, how else can ATC be fooled ... hmm ... in fog can't see the ID.
Who knows, in the end might find it actually crashed on take-off, if all the USA flying is intended to take place under the cover of darkness and to return on that same flightpath before daylight, would have to have quick-turned around by 3 AM.
Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
The concept of trying to fly clandestine trips to the US but choosing to do it to an airport with a 24 hour control tower, radar-equipped approach service and customs on site to boot, is just preposterous.
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Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
You know if that aircraft had not crashed at that airport no one would ever know. It seems the least conspicuous is where there is the most activity, ... but actually, it requires the 24hours ATC service to get the job done. You need a big long runway to land in the poor visibility, very possibly the trademark weather has everything to do with it here.
If it's clandestine, this crash as seen here at the airport in the fog can be the result of an ambush too (runway intercept) once payment for cargo is received; or at least, if such cargo is known to be there beside the runway could be easily retrieved again in the fog ... so the "small fire" could also be set ...
If it's clandestine, this crash as seen here at the airport in the fog can be the result of an ambush too (runway intercept) once payment for cargo is received; or at least, if such cargo is known to be there beside the runway could be easily retrieved again in the fog ... so the "small fire" could also be set ...
Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
Fight plan was filed to Pelee island, and closed half an hour after being placed. Doesn't clarify if the plan was opened.
I wonder if this guy was actually flying so low in the fog that he was undetectable by primary radar? Is that even possible that close to the airport? Followed gps, saw the runway 20 feet below as he flew over the airport, tried to adjust and cartwheeled the landing.
Not sure if there is ground radar there.... But no xpndr code/emerg code? No emerg communication? So strange.
I think it's safe to say if you're in a desperate Wx situation you are in constant communication with whoever you can get!
Wrong freqs while desperate? Or completely different intent altogether?
One this is certain, this shiite simple don't add up. Story to follow I'm sure.
I wonder if this guy was actually flying so low in the fog that he was undetectable by primary radar? Is that even possible that close to the airport? Followed gps, saw the runway 20 feet below as he flew over the airport, tried to adjust and cartwheeled the landing.
Not sure if there is ground radar there.... But no xpndr code/emerg code? No emerg communication? So strange.
I think it's safe to say if you're in a desperate Wx situation you are in constant communication with whoever you can get!
Wrong freqs while desperate? Or completely different intent altogether?
One this is certain, this shiite simple don't add up. Story to follow I'm sure.
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Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
Does the transponder code identify the aircraft ?
Re: Windsor Flying Club 172 down in Nashville.
A simple google search of the pilot's name and "Windsor" comes up with this interesting little article. If its the same dude, he's most definitely into some shady stuff.
http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2012/02/02 ... porn-bust/
http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2012/02/02 ... porn-bust/
