Any current info on perimeter?

[bushhopper]

perimeter management jokes around how the ramp is a 2 year interview.... what a joke

[darshanpatelh]

perimeter management jokes around how the ramp is a 2 year interview.... what a joke

SO is that the actual wait time on the ramp? Also, can someone PM me any direct contacts for perimeter hr for position inquiry?

thank you,
Darshan

[+RA]

perimeter management jokes around how the ramp is a 2 year interview.... what a joke

How is this any different from any other entry level position in which one wishes to move to a higher level within a company?

[bushhopper]

Rampie Position isn't there to give the employer time to figure out over 2 years if the rampie is wasting his time or not. It is not right to hold a employee hostage for 2 years, Fire him the first sign you do not want him to fly for you. There are companies that will not do that. If you meet company expectation, no one should hold you hostage. That is slavery. Anyone who puts themselves in such situation, I feel sorry for your lack of intelligence.

[cdnpilot77]

Why are they doing the sim check and pilot interview AFTER the ramp wait? Are people going to become better pilots after sitting for 1-2yrs? so the company waits the time for the pilots skills to improve on the check and then check out their skill? Why isn't the sim eval and pilot interview done at the beginning of each employment and when a spot pops up, someone jumps into ground school? or conversely, if they aren't a strong pilot, they can be released to live their life in another setting.

[PositiveRate27]

In my opinion the low time programs are typically the Achilles heel in many cases for a lot of operators. I've observed the program at the company I work for with interest, and it seems the company and the ramp workers are their own worst enemies.

The program's concept is straight forward, but the execution is where it all falls apart. The ramp workers can't, or don't want to live in a different city and don't qualify for flying jobs in the cities they live in. The company throws them a bone and agrees to give them the opportunity to prove their dedication and work ethic in an exchange for a promotion to flying, despite the fact that they have zero industry flying experience to offer their employer.

The industry is relentlessly unstable and often employers are required go adjust wait times and go back on promises to benefit the needs of the company. Believe it or not, these commuter airlines are not in the game to groom pilots for the majors, and sometimes the bottom line takes precedence.

The ramp workers bust their ass for years. They work extremely hard and often possess great attitudes, but they aren't there to be helpful, deep down they want to fly, and they are tired of waiting. The glossy image of the airline they work for has since faded as they continue to get jerked around, and the company often takes advantageo of them. They have invested too much time to quit now and the company knows it. Finally they make it to flight line and flying the airplane is tough. They haven't flown consistently in years and it's a lot to chew. Finally the reality of their 200hr situation hits home. They are facing 2-3 more years of low seniority in the right seat while pilots who gained experience elsewhere are jumping ahead of them and getting upgrades in 8-12 months. It's difficult not to be bitter.

Because they came to the company with zero flying time, these people end up staying the longest. Often the better part of a decade, consuming your 20's and spitting you out on the wrong side of 30. They end up being the senior captains and they are given training and line-indoc captain rolls. They have reached full blown bitterness at this point as people with far less time in industry are flying as RP's to Tokyo, while they are still flying to Fort Saint nowhere with a low timer beside them trying to kill them. They can't help but subconsciously ooze this bitterness to their trainee and it sets the tone for their time at the company as well.

Neither the low timer, nor the company benefits from this unstoppable cycle. Not every case ends up like this, but the vast majority do. I feel bad for the low time guys, but there is no substitute for bringing experience to a company. If you want to be treated well, you need to be valuable.

It's just my opinion, but something to consider before you accept a ramp to flying position.

PR

[BE82]

Perimeter is a top notch company, excellent management staff even thou Ryder just left the new Ops manager is as good. if i was going to do it all over again there is no doubt i go the Perimeter way

[Flygal]

Why are they doing the sim check and pilot interview AFTER the ramp wait? Are people going to become better pilots after sitting for 1-2yrs? so the company waits the time for the pilots skills to improve on the check and then check out their skill? Why isn't the sim eval and pilot interview done at the beginning of each employment and when a spot pops up, someone jumps into ground school? or conversely, if they aren't a strong pilot, they can be released to live their life in another setting.

There's really no point on doing a sim eval when first hired. You don't know anything about the plane you're being tested on! Put in your time, do a few ground schools, sign yourself up for free metro sim sessions, show initiative and study on your own!

Sim eval is done to make sure you've stayed sharp with the IFR and know the basics of flying the metro (emergencies, system checks...). In the past, people have just sat on their butt for 1-2 years doing nothing to prepare themselves for the fire hose that is metro training. After Start checklist is started and the candidate doesn't even know where the bleed air switches are!! Not even off the ground yet and things are going bad. Training is 800lbs of JetA1 an hour. Can't really blame them.

Initial F/O sim eval isn't hard. If you can pass your multi-ifr ride and apply a few emergency memory items, you're good to go. They don't expect you to be 10 steps ahead of the metro as a beginner.

Perimeter still is a great company.

[fish4life]

Why are they doing the sim check and pilot interview AFTER the ramp wait? Are people going to become better pilots after sitting for 1-2yrs? so the company waits the time for the pilots skills to improve on the check and then check out their skill? Why isn't the sim eval and pilot interview done at the beginning of each employment and when a spot pops up, someone jumps into ground school? or conversely, if they aren't a strong pilot, they can be released to live their life in another setting.

There's really no point on doing a sim eval when first hired. You don't know anything about the plane you're being tested on! Put in your time, do a few ground schools, sign yourself up for free metro sim sessions, show initiative and study on your own!

Sim eval is done to make sure you've stayed sharp with the IFR and know the basics of flying the metro (emergencies, system checks...). In the past, people have just sat on their butt for 1-2 years doing nothing to prepare themselves for the fire hose that is metro training. After Start checklist is started and the candidate doesn't even know where the bleed air switches are!! Not even off the ground yet and things are going bad. Training is 800lbs of JetA1 an hour. Can't really blame them.

Initial F/O sim eval isn't hard. If you can pass your multi-ifr ride and apply a few emergency memory items, you're good to go. They don't expect you to be 10 steps ahead of the metro as a beginner.

Perimeter still is a great company.

Pretty much perfectly put

[darshanpatelh]

Hey guys, apart from ramp and flight instructor what other way can one follow soon after finishing min hours? My question comes from reading the last couple of posts.

thx

[darshanpatelh]

Hey guys, apart from ramp and flight instructor what other way can one follow soon after finishing min hours? My question comes from reading the last couple of posts.

thx

[Jack In The Box]

Hey guys, apart from ramp and flight instructor what other way can one follow soon after finishing min hours? My question comes from reading the last couple of posts.

thx

huh?

[bushhopper]

I would really wish, all these low time pilots who bring nothing to the table but cheap or free labour, would just stop this none sense, empty dream and get real people. ALL of us are bitter. I have not met to many pilots who are not bitter. Everyone is stepping over each others dead body, it is sick, what has this world came too.

[Tail-Chaser]

Nope. Not bitter yet.

[Jack In The Box]

I would really wish, all these low time pilots who bring nothing to the table but cheap or free labour, would just stop this none sense, empty dream and get real people. ALL of us are bitter. I have not met to many pilots who are not bitter. Everyone is stepping over each others dead body, it is sick, what has this world came too.

Not better yet either. Does the drama you mentioned escape my sight? Nope. It's all in your attitude, and if you can overlook that, keep to yourself, be positive, and enjoy where you're at, anyone can have a good time. Sorry it hasn't worked out for you!

[bushhopper]

@ Jack in the box! I am sure it worked out for you! Thanks for rubbing it in my face a**. I am sure you are living the life.

[iflyforpie]

Hey guys, apart from ramp and flight instructor what other way can one follow soon after finishing min hours? My question comes from reading the last couple of posts.

thx

Lots of places. Look for a 702/703 operator on wheels who has single engine aircraft. You'll probably have to get out of the city.... waaaay out..... in order to find them.

Oh yeah.... it's not a shiny twin and it is just day VFR. But in two years, you'll probably have 1000 hours of mostly command time, and will have kept your hands and feet busy, while your friends doing ramp will be looking at blowing their first ride after nothing but Flight Simulator since their CPL or maybe even mor years of ramp as upgrades get delayed or they jump ship.

[Jack In The Box]

@ Jack in the box! I am sure it worked out for you! Thanks for rubbing it in my face a**. I am sure you are living the life.

No need to be hostile, I meant well.

You sound like a pleasure to fly with

[GravelOpsRock]

Its called STUDY... most of these Generation Y kids don't understand that word... if you don't study.. you don't deserve to make it....

[PositiveRate27]

@ Jack in the box! I am sure it worked out for you! Thanks for rubbing it in my face a**. I am sure you are living the life.

No need to be hostile, I meant well.

You sound like a pleasure to fly with

There is absolutely NOTHING a bitter pilot hates more than a positive and content one. At the risk of sounding like my 15 year old brother, "Haters gonna hate..."


In all seriousness, Keep that positive attitude my friend, we need more of it around here