HBC went to the bankruptcy court asking for huge discounts on in stock jet inventory. It was disallowed due to a successful complaint filed by Hawker owners . The discounts would destroy any last equity they have.
HBC tried to unload a Hawker 4000 for around $4 million, and that got squashed.
End of the line for Hawker bizjets . . .
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bizjets101
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Re: End of the line for Hawker bizjets . . .
That was back in November 2012, however 3 weeks later on Dec 11 the court reversed it's position with the only requirement the company report the sale price of each jet to the court.
Since then, the company is out of bankruptcy and there is a veil of secrecy over anything to do with the Hawker lines.
Since then, the company is out of bankruptcy and there is a veil of secrecy over anything to do with the Hawker lines.
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Re: End of the line for Hawker bizjets . . .
When my Father flew it for Woodwards, he said it stood for More Damn BillsSiddley Hawker wrote:That's the one bizjets. Depending on your politics it was known as Mulroney Dirty Bastard or Mulroney Deserves Better.
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Re: End of the line for Hawker bizjets . . .
N879QS is another example of a head on collision with high closing speeds making it difficult for both aircraft to see each other.
These accidents will continue and there is not enough emphasis on maintaining a good look out, instructors teach
their students how to play Russian roulette.
Here is the official story from NTSB http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 20060828-1
Type: Silhouette image of generic H25B model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
Raytheon Hawker 800XP
Operator: NetJets
Registration: N879QS
C/n / msn: 258379
First flight: 1998
Total airframe hrs: 6727
Engines: 2 Garrett TFE731-5BR-1H
Crew: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 2
Passengers: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 3
Total: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 5
Airplane damage: Written off
Airplane fate: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: near Carson City, NV (United States of America) show on map
Phase: En route (ENR)
Nature: Executive
Departure airport: Carlsbad-McClellan-Palomar Airport, CA (CLD/KCRQ), United States of America
Destination airport: Reno/Tahoe International Airport, NV (RNO/KRNO), United States of America
Narrative:
The Hawker 800XP departed Carlsbad (CLD) on a flight to Reno (RNO).
Descending for Reno, the flight crew was cleared by air traffic control from 16,000 feet to 11,000 feet.
Just prior to commencing the descent, the captain looked outside and noted something out of the corner of her eye to the left.
As she looked to the left, she noted a glider filling the windshield.
She moved the control yoke down and to the right in an attempt to avoid the glider, but to no avail.
The Hawker jet impacted the right wing of the glider near the outboard wing joint, shearing off part of the wing.
The glider entered a flat spin and the pilot bailed out.
The glider, a Schleicher ASW.27-18 (N7729) had departed Minden, NV at 13:00 for a 5-hour thermal flight in the area.
In the collision, the nose section of the Hawker received substantial damage.
The first officer communicated to Reno that they had an emergency and asked for vectors to Reno airport as their instrument panel was severely damaged by the impact.
As the flight progressed north they spotted an airport and asked air traffic controllers if the airport was at their 11 o'clock.
The controllers responded by indicating that the airport was at their 11 o'clock at 20 miles.
The crew continued to the airport they observed, which was in fact Carson City, and elected to land there.
As the flight neared Carson City the flight crew noted that the right engine shut down as a result of the impact. The crew entered a straight-in approach for runway 27 at Carson City and attempted to lower the landing gear.
The landing gear would not extend normally, and due to the lack of instrumentation, the captain was not satisfied with the aircraft's speed and altitude. The crew elected to enter a left downwind for runway 09 instead.
The airplane overshot the final approach for runway 09 and entered a left downwind for runway 27. As the captain slowed the airplane for final approach she asked the first officer to assist in controlling the airplane bank and pitch attitudes.
The airplane touched down on the runway centerline and came to rest uneventfully.
PROBABLE CAUSE: "The failure of the glider pilot to utilize his transponder and the high closure rate of the two aircraft, which limited each pilot's opportunity to see and avoid the other aircraft."
Events:
Sources:
» NTSB
Source http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 20060828-1
These accidents will continue and there is not enough emphasis on maintaining a good look out, instructors teach
their students how to play Russian roulette.
Here is the official story from NTSB http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 20060828-1
Type: Silhouette image of generic H25B model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
Raytheon Hawker 800XP
Operator: NetJets
Registration: N879QS
C/n / msn: 258379
First flight: 1998
Total airframe hrs: 6727
Engines: 2 Garrett TFE731-5BR-1H
Crew: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 2
Passengers: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 3
Total: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 5
Airplane damage: Written off
Airplane fate: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: near Carson City, NV (United States of America) show on map
Phase: En route (ENR)
Nature: Executive
Departure airport: Carlsbad-McClellan-Palomar Airport, CA (CLD/KCRQ), United States of America
Destination airport: Reno/Tahoe International Airport, NV (RNO/KRNO), United States of America
Narrative:
The Hawker 800XP departed Carlsbad (CLD) on a flight to Reno (RNO).
Descending for Reno, the flight crew was cleared by air traffic control from 16,000 feet to 11,000 feet.
Just prior to commencing the descent, the captain looked outside and noted something out of the corner of her eye to the left.
As she looked to the left, she noted a glider filling the windshield.
She moved the control yoke down and to the right in an attempt to avoid the glider, but to no avail.
The Hawker jet impacted the right wing of the glider near the outboard wing joint, shearing off part of the wing.
The glider entered a flat spin and the pilot bailed out.
The glider, a Schleicher ASW.27-18 (N7729) had departed Minden, NV at 13:00 for a 5-hour thermal flight in the area.
In the collision, the nose section of the Hawker received substantial damage.
The first officer communicated to Reno that they had an emergency and asked for vectors to Reno airport as their instrument panel was severely damaged by the impact.
As the flight progressed north they spotted an airport and asked air traffic controllers if the airport was at their 11 o'clock.
The controllers responded by indicating that the airport was at their 11 o'clock at 20 miles.
The crew continued to the airport they observed, which was in fact Carson City, and elected to land there.
As the flight neared Carson City the flight crew noted that the right engine shut down as a result of the impact. The crew entered a straight-in approach for runway 27 at Carson City and attempted to lower the landing gear.
The landing gear would not extend normally, and due to the lack of instrumentation, the captain was not satisfied with the aircraft's speed and altitude. The crew elected to enter a left downwind for runway 09 instead.
The airplane overshot the final approach for runway 09 and entered a left downwind for runway 27. As the captain slowed the airplane for final approach she asked the first officer to assist in controlling the airplane bank and pitch attitudes.
The airplane touched down on the runway centerline and came to rest uneventfully.
PROBABLE CAUSE: "The failure of the glider pilot to utilize his transponder and the high closure rate of the two aircraft, which limited each pilot's opportunity to see and avoid the other aircraft."
Events:
Sources:
» NTSB
Source http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 20060828-1
Re: End of the line for Hawker bizjets . . .
Always sad to see something like this happen.
Hawker made some of the most reliable jets out there.
This saddens me almost as much as the Fairchild Dornier (In particular the 728) and the Fokker line up.
Hawker made some of the most reliable jets out there.
This saddens me almost as much as the Fairchild Dornier (In particular the 728) and the Fokker line up.
