Class II Upgrade

[iSight]

Doing a little CARs-ing and looking at the 10 required recommends for a class II upgrade it seems there is no requirement for them to be successful recommends. Conversely, when you look at the class III upgrade requirement of three recommends it explicitly states they must meet the standards.

CAR 421.71(3)(b)

• have recommended no fewer than 10 applicants for the recreational, private and/or commercial flight test, of which a maximum of 3 may be for the recreational flight test

CAR 421.70(4)(ii)

• recommending no fewer than 3 students for their flight test for issue of a permit or licence, all of whom demonstrated the required standard of skill and knowledge;

Also interesting that the three students for the class III need also to demonstrate the required knowledge. Would they not count if the student did a flight test but never got through the written or another instructor recommended for the written?

I can't remember having to prove my three had already met the required standard for knowledge.

(and yes, there are probably better things I could be doing than reading CARs)

[PositiveRate27]

Indeed... I believe you could, in theory, recommend 3 students, and they could partial. They would then re-take the items they failed and if they pass you will have the 3 recommends required to upgrade from Class 4 to Class 3, and you would have 6 of the 10 required for the class 2. Rewarding failure.

[Colonel Sanders]

Correct. The more incompetent you are, the faster you advance
to a class 2/1 as long as you successfully skirt CAR 421.67(2):

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... htm#421_67

(2) Evaluation

Follow-up action will be required when a flight test record reflects the following:

(a) more than three failures for the flight test among the last 10 candidates recommended by the flight instructor for issuance of the Pilot Permit -Recreational, Private Pilot Licence or Commercial Pilot Licence; or

(c) more than three failures in total for flight tests referred to in both (a), and (b) , if fewer than 10 candidates have been recommended by the flight instructor.

I will refrain from commenting upon what kind of corporate
culture is reflected by an ingrained policy of promoting
incompetence up through management as quickly as possible.

[photofly]

If 100% of your students pass first time you are clearly over-teaching them and therefore milking them; you should be sending them for a flight test earlier.

[iSight]

hmmm I suppose you are right photofly; time to throw one under the bus. Transport Canada would want it that way.

Rewarding failure....so strange

[Colonel Sanders]

Rewarding failure....so strange

You're obviously new to aviation.

I remember, decades ago, as a young man, wanting
to become a "good pilot". I thought that if I worked
hard at being a really good stick & rudder, and learned
the regulations really well (so I never contravened them)
I would be a "good pilot". Safe and legal.

What a young idiot I was. All I did was p1ss people
off, who get jealous of a young snot-nosed kid that
can fly better than they can, and can regurgitate the
regulations upon demand, that no one else can
remember, let alone comprehend.

Over the decades, what I noticed is that the people
who were most favorably looked upon, frequently
crashed. And it didn't (and especially still doesn't)
matter. No one cares if you crash, bend up tin, and
injure and kill people, as long as you're a kiss-@ss.

Disappointing, but that's what a "good pilot" is in
Canada. An incompetent kiss-@ss.

[photofly]

You fixed the bit about not contravening the CARs though.

[Colonel Sanders]

Progress, of a sort, I suppose.