Shop Labour Rates in Canada

[NeverBlue]

Was wondering what the shop labour rates are like across Canada.

Structures, Maintenance and Avionics ( both avionics repair and install rates if applicable)

...and what is the minimum charge for opening a work order?

[cgzro]

In Gatineau from $60/hr to $100/hr
Oshawa I was paying $80/hr.

Peter

[NeverBlue]

Wow.
Kinda hard to pay good salaries at $60/hr.

...and kinda hard to keep up the membership at Rivermead making that kind of money.

I luv Gatineau...

[dstechnical]

$110/hr sorry that is to get your 4 wheeler repaired

$65/hr to get your airplane fixed

i think that kind of says it all

[rubberboot]

$110/hr sorry that is to get your 4 wheeler repaired

$65/hr to get your airplane fixed

i think that kind of says it all

thats because you wont drive your 4 wheeler to mexico and have it repaired for $25 an hour.... if you try and charge $110/hr to repair an aircraft in canada, mexico (or the states for that matter and the dollar is almost par) is only short flight away and they will do it for $40-50/hr. welcome to the global market.

[Heliian]

85$/hr for a light helicopter.

GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOUR AIRCRAFT TO MEXICO OR THE U.S. FOR CHEAPER RATES, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR AND GOOD LUCK GETTING THEM TO COME UP TO YOU IF THERE IS A PROBLEM AFTERWARDS.

Try and support your local shops people, you have decided to spend the money on buying an a/c, sometimes up to the millions$ yet you don't want to spend money on servicing, care and maintenance?

This infuriates me as people will pay 90/hr to get their shitbox car fixed, but bitch and complain about spending an extra 5$ on safe, reliable and certified service for their a/c.

Some of the blame lies on the shops too for undercutting everyone else and keeping the rates too low.

[azimuthaviation]

GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOUR AIRCRAFT TO MEXICO OR THE U.S. FOR CHEAPER RATES, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR AND GOOD LUCK GETTING THEM TO COME UP TO YOU IF THERE IS A PROBLEM AFTERWARDS.

+1

Theres also people here who will work on your aircraft for pesos on the dollar as well. And I'm talking about AMO's. I wonder where they make their bottom line? Probably somewhere between good standard practices and thorough inspections I presume.

110 dollars an hour for an ATV?? Where are you getting it done? Monaco?

Billable hours usually isnt the big money maker for these shops, at least not in avionics in my experience. It's parts, especially if youre a dealer.

[rubberboot]

GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOUR AIRCRAFT TO MEXICO OR THE U.S. FOR CHEAPER RATES, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR AND GOOD LUCK GETTING THEM TO COME UP TO YOU IF THERE IS A PROBLEM AFTERWARDS.

+1

i agree with you... however this is the realistic problem facing aviation. globalization, government bodies accepting other countries standards, high canadian dollar... it all adds up. i would rather owners and commercial operators bought canadian too. but because aircraft can fly to other countries pretty easy, it makes charging a proper and sustainable amount difficult for 3rd party AMO's. the odds of you taking your car to the states for repair are minimal. and they know it. not worth the drive. therefore, 90-110$ per hour.

BTW - i don't own an aircraft, and have no intention of ever owning one. i really dont want to "soar with the eagles"

[crazy_aviator]

Recently, I had an A/C owner come to me asking for an annual ( on the grass) and he was TELLING ME that his annual would cost $600.00 I AM TIRED of selfish, abusive, scrooge airplane owners trying to take advantage of my licence, experience and good nature . Do you negotiate with Canadian Tire ? do you go into a midas shop and help remove the muffler? Do you bring in wrong parts for your Honda dealership to install at cost ? Are you guys friggin NUTS ?

[Colonel Sanders]

Like a teenaged girl, you have to learn to say "No"

I cannot imagine an AME shop rate of less than $100.

An annual on a simple single (4 cyl, fixed pitch prop, fixed
gear) is two days (one day engine, one day airframe) which
is 16 hours or $1,600 for a theoretical "no-snag" annual
before any other parts or labour.

Pretty simple arithmetic.

I know owners who pay $10,000, $20,000 and even
$30,000 for their annual inspections. And the AME doesn't
even clean or inspect the airplane:

http://i.imgur.com/aRbqrG4.jpg

but I can't mention that because the last thread got yanked

[azimuthaviation]

Did they go to court yet to get their money back? If they had a case and they could recover thousands, maybe tens of thousands of dollars why did they not? That would be far better recourse than bitching about it here, no?

[Colonel Sanders]

I try to stay as far away as I can, from
disasters like that ... but in any event,
suing an AME is like arguing with a pilot.

Waste of time.

[azimuthaviation]

I try to stay as far away as I can, from
disasters like that ... but in any event,
suing an AME is like arguing with a pilot.

Waste of time.

Its not a waste of time, a few hours and they can recover thousands of dollars. If they have a judgement against them they can easily collect. Even if they have no money or try to declare bankruptcy they still have assets you can claim. Just having a judge agree that they are at fault at least is vindication and a warning to other possible customers.

Or register a complaint with the BBB, even if they arent a member they will have a rating with the BBB, and an uresolved complaint and the date of it will be accessible with a 5 second internet search.

If they are failing to inspect an aircraft and signing a false MR stating they are, theyre in violation of the Act and can be prosecuted by enforcement or criminal prosecution.

If they are accountable for some injustice I listed for you three avenues that you can take. If you are unwilling to use any of those then what youre doing is basically slandering them without giving them an opportunity to defend their position.

[NeverBlue]

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=93081

...wonder what their labour rates are???


$22 for an apprentice??? not possible.

$45 for an experienced AME??? doesn't exist.


Oh wait...their looking for a good attitude. That must be why.

[212wrench]

Recently, I had an A/C owner come to me asking for an annual ( on the grass) and he was TELLING ME that his annual would cost $600.00 I AM TIRED of selfish, abusive, scrooge airplane owners trying to take advantage of my licence, experience and good nature . Do you negotiate with Canadian Tire ? do you go into a midas shop and help remove the muffler? Do you bring in wrong parts for your Honda dealership to install at cost ? Are you guys friggin NUTS ?

$600 for the annual sounds reasonable. Just tell him for another $4000 you'll sign it out. No problem.

[Pat Richard]

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=93081

...wonder what their labour rates are???


$22 for an apprentice??? not possible.

$45 for an experienced AME??? doesn't exist.


Oh wait...their looking for a good attitude. That must be why.

2nd time that ad has been reposted...either things are not as they appear or every ame in calgary is neverblueless in attitude.

More to it than advertised, lm guessing. No company ever throws that kind of money at a mechanic easily.

Maybe have to promise your kids will go into aircraft maintenance after you're gone...

[GyvAir]

This is speculation on my part. I don’t know anything about the company, their working conditions, actual remuneration scheme, etc. I have no reason to think or suggest that they’re not a good company to work for.

However, I suspect that if you do the math - multiplying the number of their current aircraft types requiring endorsement (7) by the $2000 per year/2080hrs for an equivalent of $6.73 per hour in potential endorsement pay – and taking it off the $45 per hour you’re down to $38.27 as a maximum wage for someone with no applicable endorsements, yet perhaps with considerable experience, good negotiating skills and in a good negotiating position.
Walk in as a relatively newly minted AME and I’m sure you’ll be seeing $10-13 knocked off that number for a starting offer of around $25-28.00. In about 10 years and a pile of courses, if all works out, you might see that $45.00/hr.

Again, this is speculation on what an applicant finds out once they get into/past the interview stage. I suspect there are readers here who could confirm or disprove.

P.S. Anyone else browse their website and see one of their staff described as being an AME and PME? What is a PME?

[NeverBlue]

More to it than advertised, lm guessing. No company ever throws that kind of money at a mechanic easily.

...simply incorrigible

[Pat Richard]

Hey Kettle, this Pot calling....

[NeverBlue]

I didn't post the job add...

[LousyFisherman]

Walk in as a relatively newly minted AME and I’m sure you’ll be seeing $10-13 knocked off that number for a starting offer of around $25-28.00. In about 10 years and a pile of courses, if all works out, you might see that $45.00/hr.

160*$25 = $4k/month to start
160*$45 = $7.2k/month after 10 years

Forgive me, but what is the problem with these kind of rates?

LF

[NeverBlue]

The problem is that because some people don't have a chance in hell of ever attaining that wage...they don't believe it's possible for anyone else either...

thus...

More to it than advertised, lm guessing. No company ever throws that kind of money at a mechanic easily.

[Pat Richard]

Re-posted again Dec 4.

[iflyforpie]

[Pat Richard]

threepeat.

Up again Friday, Dec 6


Cant believe nobody in a city the size of Calgary has a chance in hell of getting such a well paid position in aircraft maintenance.