Cdn Instructor & US Aircraft?

[Ralliart]

I left a message with TC regarding this, but seeing as it's the long weekend, I probably won't hear back until the new week.

Scenario: A dual citizen with a US registered private aircraft stays in Canada for the summer with the US aircraft. Can a Canadian instructor give instruction to the dual citizen in the US aircraft that will count towards the requirements for either a Canadian or FAA instrument rating?

(Assuming the 'instructor' has the usual Canadian minimums to teach IFR)

Any thoughts while I wait for the official word?

Thanks

[Right Seat Captain]

For the FAA Instrument rating, you'd have to check their requirements for the training, but I believe you need to be a CFII (American Instrument Instructor) to teach instruments for an FAA Instrument Rating. In terms of the Canadian Instrument, you might be able to, but the question comes up as to weather you can instruct in an American Registered Aircraft.

[TheHub]

The Canadian instructor must have a valid FAA licence in order to teach on an American registered aircraft. If you have that, you may teach the student and the time will count towards a Canadian IFR, not sure about the FAA side though.

[Pugster]

Hey Alex (oops I outed you);

I ran into this problem trying to do a Canadian IFR on a Cirrus. It was an N-Reg aircraft, the owner was thinking of converting his licence to a Canadian ICAO...transport in YLW was having nothing of it.

According to them, I couldn't instruct on an N-Reg aircraft unless I was a licenced FAA instructor...which meant that my client couldn't receive instruction towards a Canadian licence on his aircraft. We were about to push the issue with TC, but he wound up just getting his FAA IFR down in Florida instead. Silly system. Let me know how it goes, I'd be curious.

How's everything going? Drop me an email (or a PM)....


Pete

[Ralliart]

Hey Pete, just exactly who I wanted to get ahold of........same deal, guy with N registered Cirrus wants to do some training when up here, I suspect I'll get the same answer from TC in YVR...........I was wondering how that ended up for you.

Cheers
Alex

[sakism]

We instructed a man on his N-registered Warrior - TC initially told us it could be done but not through the FTU (instructor had to freelance). They then changed their minds and said that it could be done with no conditions attached.

This was Toronto office.

If a person with a Canadian licence can legally fly an N-aircraft in Canada, why couldn't a person with a Canadian instructor rating instruct on N-aircraft in Canada? Nothing I've ever come across in the CARs seems to deal with this. No wonder TC can't make up their minds about it.

If anyone does know of an applicable CARs reference, pass it on.

[Right Seat Captain]

I think it has more to do with FAA rules. The conditions for a Canadian Licenced pilot to fly in an N-registered aircraft. From what I understand, you must do something through the FAA to be able to fly an N-registered aircraft as PIC.

[orville]

A Canadian instructor can give instruction, in Canada, towards a Canadian licence or rating to an American, or a member of his family, who owns the N-registered aircraft. Period.

If Transport, in their normal ignorance or regional whim, differ with this statement ask them to show you the CAR reference which supports their position.

(As an aside, up to 1/3 of a Canadian FTU's fleet can be N-registered aircraft.)

[Ralliart]

Thanks Orville, ....talked to TC today and they said the same thing.......as outlined in CAR 401.04, no problem to teach the guy in his US aircraft, in Canada, towards the issue of a Canadian licesne / rating.