Pilot Shortage and Statistics

[Rumors]

Rumors float around about pending pilot shortages.

Can anyone post a link to how many ATPL and Commercial flight crew licences are active in Canada?

Also Rumors always floating around about people losing interest in becoming pilots.

Anyone have any stats on how many licences have been issued every year for the last decade or so?

Thanks in advance.

[flyer 1492]

It would be interesting to see how the colleges are doing for the 2013/14 enrolments.

[DaveP]

Hi,
I keep an eye on these trends for our own hiring here at WestJet and Encore.
I'm going off the top of my head here tonight, as I have the actual data on my office computer from TC.
- Basically if memory serves me, ATPL issuance is steady over the last few years at approximately 400 to 500 based off a 10 year trend. (Again, this might not be accurate - but it's pretty close) I get my data straight from licensing in YWG.
- college enrolment is steady at the major institutions like Sault, Con and Seneca.
- smaller less popular programs tend to struggle more for enrolment
My information on the college enrolments come from both direct contact with them and advisory board members

We aren't having any trouble hiring or attracting now at either WJ or Encore.
Notifications for our February WJ course just went out this past Thurs/Fri.

The next courses are in March (2) and April. Encore is monthly.

Cheers

[Jack In The Box]

Hi,
I keep an eye on these trends for our own hiring here at WestJet and Encore.
I'm going off the top of my head here tonight, as I have the actual data on my office computer from TC.
- Basically if memory serves me, ATPL issuance is steady over the last few years at approximately 400 to 500 based off a 10 year trend. (Again, this might not be accurate - but it's pretty close) I get my data straight from licensing in YWG.
- college enrolment is steady at the major institutions like Sault, Con and Seneca.
- smaller less popular programs tend to struggle more for enrolment
My information on the college enrolments come from both direct contact with them and advisory board members

We aren't having any trouble hiring or attracting now at either WJ or Encore.
Notifications for our February WJ course just went out this past Thurs/Fri.

The next courses are in March (2) and April. Encore is monthly.

Cheers

Thanks for sharing the info Dave!

I noticed the Encore app window has closed. I'm wondering if you can tell me if there are plans for it to re open or to stay closed? I've been having trouble updating my resume online, but I think (hope!) vie got the issue resolved.

[bmc]

I tend to agree that Canada will not experience any great pilot shortage. Canada is not the airline industry hotspot.

Asia, Persian Gulf, China, Europe to a much lesser degree will have huge demand, simply based on the traffic projections and aircraft orders.

If you don't mind living abroad, which a bunch of us on Avcanada have done for a long time, there will be and currently are, opportunities to fly new modern equipment.

[Gino Under]

Fact.
There is a pilot shortage and it's getting worse.
Fact.
There is no pilot shortage in Canada.
To answer the question, as asked, it depends where you're looking.
Pilot schools in Canada have a legitimate sales pitch for new students as long as they stay away from the Canadian market as far as shortages here go.
As long as our friends at Sunwing continue to turn to foreign pilots you won't have to worry about a career in Canada either.

...but I digress...
there's always Encore or Westjet

Gino

[Dick]

I think you're giving Sunwing too much credit for the state of the airline industry. There are approximately 10,000 pilot jobs in the country to be had. Sunwing has about 150 foreign pilots this winter. By bringing in these pilots, it's allows the 250 Sunwing pilots to be employed year round, as they in return go to Europe during the summer months.

The fact that Air Canada has chosen to follow the American model of regional flying is detrimental to the industry. They are in the process of setting up multiple regional carriers which they can use to play against each other to drive costs down. As most of the costs are fixed (aircraft, fuel, landing fees, etc.), the only way they can compete against one another is by reducing labour costs, namely pilot wages. This has forced westjet to follow suit in their Encore operation.

Back to the original question, there won't be a pilot shortage anytime soon in Canada, as supply continues to outpace demand. This is caused by the relatively simple and inexpensive process of obtaining a commercial, then ATPL License in Canada. However, there will be many opportunities abroad as the reverse is true.

This is a global phenomena caused by the nature of the industry and supply versus demand. I don't think Sunwing has caused it by bringing in some foreign pilots to fly for them during the busy winter months.

But why let facts get in the way of a good rant.

[digits_]

Fact.
There is a pilot shortage and it's getting worse.

[...]

Pilot schools in Canada have a legitimate sales pitch for new students as long as they stay away from the Canadian market as far as shortages here go.

Are you serious

What makes you even suspect there is a shortage of new inexperienced pilots, in any part of the world ?? Even with a self-funded typerating, a 250TT pilot has almost zero chance of finding a paying job. I'd like to be proven wrong.

[bmc]

Fact.
There is a pilot shortage and it's getting worse.

[...]

Pilot schools in Canada have a legitimate sales pitch for new students as long as they stay away from the Canadian market as far as shortages here go.

Are you serious

What makes you even suspect there is a shortage of new inexperienced pilots, in any part of the world ?? Even with a self-funded typerating, a 250TT pilot has almost zero chance of finding a paying job. I'd like to be proven wrong.

There are a few airlines that will hire you off the street with zero hours and do your ab ignition through to line pilot. Finnair, British Airways and Gulf Air to name three.

I rode jump seat on a Gulf Air A340 into Manila about 14 years ago. The guy in the right seat had 700 hours total time. The program back then had them do about 200 hours of sim, followed by another couple of hundred in jump seat.

Getting licences and ratings in Canada is inexpensive compared to many countries, particularly Europe. They also don't have teething grounds like the bush to build hours. What are they to do? That's why there are more and more innovative approaches to training. As crazy as these program are, from a Canadian perspective, there doesn't seem to be compromised safety if accidents are the measure.

http://www.ctcwings.com/bafuturepilot

[Gino Under]

I don't credit or blame Sunwing for the state of the industry in Canada. But they sure as hell aren't making it better by bringing in foreign pilots. Some in this thread have already pointed out there is no pilot shortage in Canada so one must ask what shortage of Canadian pilots are Sunwing experiencing that DaveP at Westjet isn't and why haven't the Canadian government agencies entrusted with enforcing the laws of this country stepped up and held Sunwing to account? (See that other thread for further)

Q. Who's paying for those 250 Canadian pilots at Sunwing who fly in Europe over the summer months?
A. The 150 Canadian pilots who weren't hired by Sunwing because they didn't have a type rating. That's who.

To be clear, I'd point out to those who don't seem to get it, that by bringing in foreign pilots they simply deprive younger, less experienced Canadian pilots of an excellent opportunity to gain experience the industry in Canada is going to need, especially for the future. That's how many industries in Canada thrive and survive. It falls into the category of corporate responsibility. But, let's be honest here, Sunwing needs a corporate conscience first.

The unfortunate reality throughout a number of threads on the subject in this Forum is, many of you seem to think it's okay to hand these jobs over to foreigners. I think it's not only wrong but it's against the law. A number of laws actually. As this attitude and the attitude of operations like Sunwing prevail, it only underscores the pathetic reality that makes us Canadian.

It's called apathy.

digits

If you think there's no pilot shortage, do some research. You'll find your proof.
Hang in there and good luck. It's never easy.


Gino Under

[tbaylx]

Fact.
There is a pilot shortage and it's getting worse.

[...]

Pilot schools in Canada have a legitimate sales pitch for new students as long as they stay away from the Canadian market as far as shortages here go.

Are you serious

What makes you even suspect there is a shortage of new inexperienced pilots, in any part of the world ?? Even with a self-funded typerating, a 250TT pilot has almost zero chance of finding a paying job. I'd like to be proven wrong.

There are a few airlines that will hire you off the street with zero hours and do your ab ignition through to line pilot. Finnair, British Airways and Gulf Air to name three.

I rode jump seat on a Gulf Air A340 into Manila about 14 years ago. The guy in the right seat had 700 hours total time. The program back then had them do about 200 hours of sim, followed by another couple of hundred in jump seat.

Getting licences and ratings in Canada is inexpensive compared to many countries, particularly Europe. They also don't have teething grounds like the bush to build hours. What are they to do? That's why there are more and more innovative approaches to training. As crazy as these program are, from a Canadian perspective, there doesn't seem to be compromised safety if accidents are the measure.

http://www.ctcwings.com/bafuturepilot

You aren't getting hired with low time at an overseas airline in a cadet program unless you're a local, or know someone high up really well. Gulf Air hasn't hired non locals as cadets in a very long time if ever, and pretty sure you have about the same chances at Finnair and British Airways as a Canadian. Worldwide airline cadet programs are designed to get local inexperienced pilots into the seat and get them experience so they can eventually be captains, not to provide jobs to foreigners. Either than or they are designed as a revenue generation scheme at the pilot's expense, which is a whole 'nother issue altogether.

No shortage anywhere of new inexperienced pilots. There is and will continue to be a shortage of experienced medium to large jet pilots in developing markets.

[bmc]

I agree with everything you say, I just didn't go into that much detail. The point I was making, and you said it in as many words, is that some airlines offer incentives to locals to fill their ranks.

Flight training is prohibitively expensive in some parts of the world, causing problems for the airlines as they have long term orders and Few pilots to fly the machines.

[FL320]

Q. Who's paying for those 250 Canadian pilots at Sunwing who fly in Europe over the summer months?
A. The 150 Canadian pilots who weren't hired by Sunwing because they didn't have a type rating. That's who.

Gino,

Could you guys give us a break with Sunwing? They recently hired 40 Canadian pilots. None of us had a B737 type rating. In fact very few Canadian pilots already had a B737 rating before joining the company in the previous years.
During the winter season they need to increase the fleet and they use our partners and bring foreign aircrafts and crews. If they hired 150 Canadian pilots, that would mean about 150 Canadian pilots on the street in the summer when they have to reduce the fleet. Don't you think that this situation would also discourage the young inexperienced Canadian pilots? Anyway I am pretty sure that very few Canadian experienced pilots would apply for that seasonal job with such a high risk of lay off.
The company is doing very well so far (our flights are always full) and even if you are not happy with their business model, they provide full time well paid jobs (compared to other airlines in Canada) to 250 Canadian pilots, and they will probably hire some more in the near future.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Q. Who's paying for those 250 Canadian pilots at Sunwing who fly in Europe over the summer months?
A. The 150 Canadian pilots who weren't hired by Sunwing because they didn't have a type rating. That's who.

Gino,

Could you guys give us a break with Sunwing? They recently hired 40 Canadian pilots. None of us had a B737 type rating. In fact very few Canadian pilots already had a B737 rating before joining the company in the previous years.
During the winter season they need to increase the fleet and they use our partners and bring foreign aircrafts and crews. If they hired 150 Canadian pilots, that would mean about 150 Canadian pilots on the street in the summer when they have to reduce the fleet. Don't you think that this situation would also discourage the young inexperienced Canadian pilots? Anyway I am pretty sure that very few Canadian experienced pilots would apply for that seasonal job with such a high risk of lay off.
The company is doing very well so far (our flights are always full) and even if you are not happy with their business model, they provide full time well paid jobs (compared to other airlines in Canada) to 250 Canadian pilots, and they will probably hire some more in the near future.

You have a job there at Sunwing so what they do, whatever it is, is ok by you. Typical self centered pilot.
You have 250 Canadian pilots you say ? At 13 pilots per aircraft that allows you to fly 20 aircraft. But you have 32 aircraft this winter. The 12 extra are flown by foreign pilots.

Here is what Sunwing should do to be fair and have an acceptable business model:

Lets assume Sunwing needs 13 pilots per aircraft (6.5 crews)

They need 32 aircraft in the winter and only six in the summer. That's a difference of 26. Half of that is 13.

Sunwing should have 19 full time aircraft and 247 full time pilots.
In the summer, 13 aircraft and 169 pilots go spend 6 months and Europe.
In the winter, everyone comes home and 169 European pilots and 13 European aircraft come over, for a total of 32 aircraft and 416 pilots.

Last summer, Sunwing had 13 full time aircraft and sent 7 of those in Europe (with the equivalent of 91 pilots who rotated).

Then they hired a few more Canadians and are importing 19 foreign aircraft for which they will need about 156 foreign pilots. Thats about 65 more European pilots coming to Canada than Canadians went to Europe.

Why can't the Europeans have the Sunwing business model instead, where they import 156 Canadian pilots but only send 91 to Canada?

Because the European authorities wont allow it, that's why. Canada allows anything.

In the meantime, enjoy your nice cozy job and make up all sorts of nice excuses to justify this B/S. As long as it does not affect YOU, why should you care, right ?

Gilles

[rt777]

There is a shortage.

However its only for Pilots with 3-4000+ hours, and with a type rating. And that's if your willing to work overseas, not North America.

[FL320]

Gilles,
I do not agree with all what they do. You certainly know the numbers better than I do and i don't disagree with your point of vue. Of course I would be pleased to see more Canadian collegues joining the company.
However all the focus on Sunwing is creating a negative atmosphere and people start to spread wrong rumors. What I recently heard is that we had to pay our type rating in order to get the job, an other one is that foreign pilots are working for free, etc.
If we continue like that Canadian pilots won't be interested in Sunwing and they will hire more foreigners...
This company is not perfect but I have to be honest and admit that they are one of the best employer I had so far and the working environment is great.

By the way I wish everyone a Merry Christmas!

[Dick]

Ok, I'm going to take it upon myself to counter whatever Gilles has to say, whether I'm right or wrong, time will tell. Yes, I have a job there, no, whatever they do is not fine by me. You accuse me of being a self centered pilot, I lob that back into your court. You, Gilles, are a self centered pilot, tying to protect your job at Air Transat.
Sunwing is bringing in less pilots then it deploys to the EU. The pilots that come to Canada to fly during the peak winter season are more than offset by the pilots that are sent to Europe to fly during the summer months. You claim that that Sunwing "hired a few more Canadians", when in fact Sunwing has hired more than 100 Canadian pilots.
Gilles, it is a nice cozy job which I do enjoy. The only people referring to this business as "BS" are you and Gino Under, whoever that might be.
There are about 250 pilots at Sunwing who take objection to your opinion about the Sunwing business plan, fortunately Gino Under is on your side.

[digits_]

Fact.
There is a pilot shortage and it's getting worse.

[...]

Pilot schools in Canada have a legitimate sales pitch for new students as long as they stay away from the Canadian market as far as shortages here go.

Are you serious

What makes you even suspect there is a shortage of new inexperienced pilots, in any part of the world ?? Even with a self-funded typerating, a 250TT pilot has almost zero chance of finding a paying job. I'd like to be proven wrong.

There are a few airlines that will hire you off the street with zero hours and do your ab ignition through to line pilot. Finnair, British Airways and Gulf Air to name three.

Yes, Lufthansa does the same. They even hire 250 TT pilots. Acceptance rate: 2% for the people with 0 hours, about 3% for the people with 250 TT. Hardly the numbers you would expect in a pilot-shortage economy.

If you think there's no pilot shortage, do some research. You'll find your proof.

Allright, show me one vacancy for 250 TT pilots for a paying job that can not be filled. Anywhere in the world.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Gilles,
I do not agree with all what they do. You certainly know the numbers better than I do and i don't disagree with your point of vue. Of course I would be pleased to see more Canadian collegues joining the company.
However all the focus on Sunwing is creating a negative atmosphere and people start to spread wrong rumors. What I recently heard is that we had to pay our type rating in order to get the job, an other one is that foreign pilots are working for free, etc.
If we continue like that Canadian pilots won't be interested in Sunwing and they will hire more foreigners...
This company is not perfect but I have to be honest and admit that they are one of the best employer I had so far and the working environment is great.

By the way I wish everyone a Merry Christmas!

I certainly do not spread such ignorant and false rumours. I encourage pilots to join Sunwing and am thrilled every time I hear that they hired more Canadian pilots.

There is room for competition and competition is good. I do not get involved in competition issues. But when our jobs, our livelyhood in essence, unfairly go to foreigners, while violating tons of local regulations and laws, I draw the line........

Happy holidays to all...........

[learcapt]

I am a complete outsider here as I have been in corporate aviation basically my entire career. I do follow these types of posts with interest though.

I agree with what FL320 has said here. How Gilles can slam Sunwing pilots and the company for doing what they feel best fits their 'model' is ridiculous. If that is what keeps them above the 'red' so be it, I just do not see an issue with it. However to call the Sunwing pilots self centred? Come on Gilles give your head a shake.

This type of 'agreement' with Euro carriers has been going on for many years and whether some people like it or hate it, I see no change in the near future. If certain pilots do not agree with it, then do not seek employment with those carriers...seems simple to me

[DH772]

Hi,
I keep an eye on these trends for our own hiring here at WestJet and Encore.
I'm going off the top of my head here tonight, as I have the actual data on my office computer from TC.
- Basically if memory serves me, ATPL issuance is steady over the last few years at approximately 400 to 500 based off a 10 year trend. (Again, this might not be accurate - but it's pretty close) I get my data straight from licensing in YWG.
- college enrolment is steady at the major institutions like Sault, Con and Seneca.
- smaller less popular programs tend to struggle more for enrolment
My information on the college enrolments come from both direct contact with them and advisory board members

We aren't having any trouble hiring or attracting now at either WJ or Encore.
Notifications for our February WJ course just went out this past Thurs/Fri.

The next courses are in March (2) and April. Encore is monthly.

Cheers

Well I would be quite surprised if a major carrier experienced a shortage first. Would start with 704 captains and regionals before it would ever (if even) hit a major carrier. Some regionals in the states are offering signing bonuses?

Nor do I think WJ would see a shortage with the small number of pilots being hired. The lack of hiring over the year in Canada it would be near impossible for WJ to see any shortages when you are only hiring 200 combined for the first time in a few years vs. the usual 80 pilots hired (now correct me if I'm wrong on that number). If WJ/Encore was hiring 200-250 pilots year after year I wouldn't expect the average TT to be above 4000 hours for the WJ operation.

[North Shore]

If they hired 150 Canadian pilots, that would mean about 150 Canadian pilots on the street in the summer when they have to reduce the fleet. Don't you think that this situation would also discourage the young inexperienced Canadian pilots? Anyway I am pretty sure that very few Canadian experienced pilots would apply for that seasonal job with such a high risk of lay off.

Well, I work in the seasonal world, except my off-season is winter. Don't think that my presence 'on the street' is discouraging to up-and-comers at all - in fact I often get asked about how to get into my line of work... I could see others wanting to have their summers off, though....

[Masters Off]

Interesting how this all correlates. Shortages cause calm. If we were in great demand, we wouldn't be focusing these conversations this way. In fact, most of us wouldn't care at all. Because our selfish ways we would all be bitching about the working conditions at the jobs that many more of us have.

I don't think the disapproval should be lowered to the working man. Let's be honest, in this tough industry, we should be only focused either selfishly towards jobs, or if we must, picking on the company corporate structure alone.

Sure, Sunwing needs a lesson in corporate decency. It is a cutthroat industry, they're trying to get an edge. Their focus is not on the right, the law, the proper, but instead continuing to prosper, grow, make money. This is focus from shareholders, passengers and management alike. You're a commodity, worth what you're worth. The amount you're worth, the amount you're compensated, the chance you get a job is all based on the supply and demand. Wonder why that King Air job just asked for 3000 hours when CMA, EVAS and Georgian can ask for less, pay less for a very similar aircraft? That corporate department is looking for a very specific caliber of pilot, with specific skills. The companies mentioned above can take a much wider brand, for less compensation. Provided they continue to get response, get quota, the numbers won't change.

Now, before you rip on some guy at Sunwing, you're not being fair. Rogue is taking from Air Canada, Sky Regional, Georgian (CRJs) are taking from Jazz, EVAS is taking from Georgian (YHZ), etc. etc.
This applies everywhere in the industry, it includes Sunwing, Transat, Canjet, Encore, WJ mainline, the entire AC umbrella, even Porter. Everyone is taking in their own way.

But it scares me when you can tell me that one day a pilot will do a job for x compensation. Suddenly, the next day, the same pilot is worth different compensation. With inflation aside, we'll say that it was the exact same pilot doing both jobs (experience difference now null). Isn't it incredible that someone will get paid thousands of dollars more or less to fly the exact same airplane in the same city for a different company.

Before you rip each other apart, just remember that we're all being used. It's the accountant sitting with the HR representative, crunching numbers. If they pay x amount, they'll get x response, and therefore, find enough (not enough, or too many) seats filled. All you have to consider, is whether it's enough compensation and the right terms for you. No one can answer that for you.

Further, as to foreign pilots, job cuts at one company and hiring at another for the same position, etc. The only thing we should all be focusing on, is less on what they're doing, thus less we can control. Instead we should be planning to predict the next corporate move, pick the right company, the right job. Work as hard as we can, to put ourselves in positions where we can obtain the most compensation for our worth.

We should be striving to help each other, not rip each other apart. If you feel a corporate culture like Sunwing is wrong, steer others away from it, regardless of how shiny that B738 is. Maybe that guy at Jazz got lucky, worked hard, right out of Seneca. Maybe that guy at EVAS couldn't afford Seneca to begin with. Don't rip on one for the conditions he's working in, he's happy to be following a dream at all. Considering how many friends are not even flying anymore.

Finally, to all those who've made it. Be honest to the kids. Be honest to those who are about to make it in the industry. Tell them the supply much out weighs the demand. Tell them about the hard work, the fact that they may get treated badly, compensated poorly, or flat out never make it at all. Tell them about the lack of job security, the wicked lifestyle for many, the divorce rate, or even just how some of you spent last Christmas in a hotel or worse. But tell them if they want the job, not to depend on shortage, but to depend on their own perseverance, hard work, and connections. Be that first person they know in the industry, and help them as best you can. Someone did for you. It's about time you stopped bitching about how bad things are, and started helping guys get through it as quickly and painlessly as possible. Besides, if that kid you know doesn't, we all know there's 50 more that will go through the course of shit behind him.

Fly safe all, keep your chins up. We are actually all in this together, whether you believe it or not.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

I am a complete outsider here as I have been in corporate aviation basically my entire career. I do follow these types of posts with interest though.

I agree with what FL320 has said here. How Gilles can slam Sunwing pilots and the company for doing what they feel best fits their 'model' is ridiculous. If that is what keeps them above the 'red' so be it, I just do not see an issue with it. However to call the Sunwing pilots self centred? Come on Gilles give your head a shake.

This type of 'agreement' with Euro carriers has been going on for many years and whether some people like it or hate it, I see no change in the near future. If certain pilots do not agree with it, then do not seek employment with those carriers...seems simple to me

Mr Learcapt. Wait till you read this on the Employment section of AvCanada:

Wanted : 50 Seasonal Corporate Pilots for major Canadian company based in several major Canadian cities: must be type rated on X, Y or Z aircraft, must be current on those aircraft and have at least 500 hours on type. The job is for 6 months out of the year.

Then you find out that this job offer is bogus and is just a formality to comply with an EDSD requirement that before they can issue any foreign pilots an LMO, that the Canadian company must first advertise those jobs for 2 weeks. Your learn that some Canadians who had all the requirements applied and did not get a call. You also learn from buddies of yours in Europe that even before the ad had been posted on AvCanada, that some pilots from Europe had already been recruited for those positions, because they work for a European company whose business is slow at the time of the year that the Canadian company requires these corporate pilots and that they are subcontracted to the Canadian company, along with the aircraft they normally fly in Europe. The aircraft are leased to the Canadian corporation, and the condition is that the European pilots must come with the aircraft, in a separate contract.

Then you also find an ad on a European website that advertises for some of those same corporate jobs in Canada, for flying Canadian registered aircraft, but one of the requirements for those Canadian based jobs is a JAA licence.

Then you learn that Transport Canada issued these JAA licensed pilots Foreign Licensed Validation Certificates to fly these Canadian registered aircraft as soon as these guys set foot in Canada.

They were also fast tracked for CAIRS cards somehow although Canadians wait months to get theirs.

Then when they begin to work, some of them brag to their Canadian colleagues that they are collecting their pay NET of all taxes in an account located in some Tax Haven in Europe while the Canadian flying alongside him in the same cockpit, to who they brag, is highly taxed. You learn some were hired with a self employed status through a recruiting Agency in Europe who collects their salaries for them from the Canadian employer and pays them in the Tax Haven, free from any deductions, European or Canadian.

And then you find out that this will be on ongoing thing that will occur every year, six months out of the year.

According to you, if that is what will keep those Canadian Corporate employers out of the Red, so be it, because they also employ some Canadian pilots at the same time, so that justifies the 50 European pilots....

Happy holidays.........

[watermeth]

Biz aviation ain't seasonal and owner gets to choose who will drive his plane. Big difference.
It becomes more and more important to choose carefully who you're willing to carry, whether it be the 1% or the winter's mass exodus willing to pay the cheapest fare.

And if your script may happen, canadian biz pilots will do what their european counterparts do. Which is what some layed off AT pilots did: some untaxed contract work overseas.

Gilles, you're saying self centered, but where were you when everything was going fine for Air Transat while sunwing was hiring foreign pilots during the last 5+ years ?
Never heard any word from you before.

Have a Merry Christmas...