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Re: Employee Seating

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Captains are pre-booked in J and F/O in Y when the pairings are built about a month in advance of the date of travel. In this case the seat is pre-sold to Air Canada flight ops and no longer available for sale to a customer. If at the time of the flight there are still unsold seats that were not purchased by customers in J, the F/O gets the seat. For last minute deadheads (reserve or changes to schedule) the captain will only get J if there is space available, meaning no one gets bumped out of J who purchased a seat in J. Customer purchased upgrades are also ahead of any employee getting the upgrade in both cases listed above.
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Re: Employee Seating

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As an AC Super Elite and thank god now only an Elite 75K who has to book lowest cost seats. I have no problems with pilots and fos having J seats ahead if me. The idea that a pilot or fo would have to work after a long Y flight scares the crap out of me. I need at least a day to recover from a Y seat on the asia or europe flights and I am happy to have the pilot well rested.

I have a few gripes however about upgrade elligible. its not obvious when you book if you will be eligible. AC should make that a little clearer on the bookings pages.
They used to have a book upgradable only choice.
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Re: Employee Seating

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Does jazz have the ability to deadhead their people in Confirmed J? I heard that was happening, and I have seen their flight attendants in J while I was deadheading as a mainline pilot in economy.
Jazz air crew do not get any confirmed J seats. If anything, more often than not, I can attest to the fact that when I check in for a deadhead there is a 50/50 chance I have been assigned to a centre seat. There is nothing like being crammed into a centre seat on a 5 hour deadhead and then have to operate on arrival. I try and avoid this by checking in 24 hours ahead, but there are times, there is no suitable alternative.
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Big Pistons Forever wrote:Does "space available" mean an Air Canada employee only gets the J class seat if there are no upgrade eligable passengers in economy ?
Yes
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Instead of directing the attention to the employee in the J seat you should ask why does the company insist on deadheading their crew as much as they do. Especially when their services are needed during the same flight they are dead heading on.

We have Relief Pilots that deadhead in the back during night Atlantic crossings instead of being utilized as operating crew. Why? It saves the company a buck. Then they are activated on the crossing back to North America during the daytime when fatigue is not as prevelant. That too is a contractual issue.

As an employee, why would I want to fly around in ANY seat for 50% pay??

The answer is I don't. The company is utilizing a revenue seat to reposition me to generate more revenue.
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Re: Employee Seating

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prop2jet wrote:
Does jazz have the ability to deadhead their people in Confirmed J? I heard that was happening, and I have seen their flight attendants in J while I was deadheading as a mainline pilot in economy.
Jazz air crew do not get any confirmed J seats. If anything, more often than not, I can attest to the fact that when I check in for a deadhead there is a 50/50 chance I have been assigned to a centre seat. There is nothing like being crammed into a centre seat on a 5 hour deadhead and then have to operate on arrival. I try and avoid this by checking in 24 hours ahead, but there are times, there is no suitable alternative.
There's a very good chance that the Jazz FA in J while you were in the back may have been working for AC for 30+ years!

Get over it...life goes on! There's more to life then "getting" J class!

Merry Christmas!
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Re: Employee Seating

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"Jazz FA working at AIR CANADA for over thirty years" .......................???????????????????
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Re: Employee Seating

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Filling up J with randoms from the back sounds like a smart idea, but it is not. The J passenger paid or used an upgrade to get there. To have someone sitting next to them bragging about a free upgrade would not look so good.

They have a system, and a pecking order that is followed.
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Re: Employee Seating

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I am an AC million-miler, I always book Y, and if by chance I get upgraded, I am grateful for the perk. I enjoy the service, but never ever brag or talk about how I got there.
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Re: Employee Seating

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Idle Thrust wrote:"Jazz FA working at AIR CANADA for over thirty years" .......................???????????????????

I said: "working for"...not "at"!

Who do you think Jazz works for?????????????????
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Re: Employee Seating

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I reserved a seat on a Dash 8 Q400 flight and noticed when I got my boarding pass that I had been moved across the aisle from the seat I had selected. I booked a window seat and was given an aisle seat instead. After boarding was complete I was surprised to see both my original seat and the one beside it was empty. So after takeoff I slid across the aisle over to my original booked seat to give myself and the person I was sitting beside some extra room. The flight attendant noticed and told me I couldn't sit there and I apologized and returned to my assigned seat. I assumed that there was something wrong with the seat and it wasn't safe to use. Later in the flight, after the drinks were served, two flight attendants came and sat in those two seats, lowered the tray tables, and played a game of cards. :lol: I believe it was Crazy Eights.
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Re: Employee Seating

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Rudy wrote:I reserved a seat on a Dash 8 Q400 flight and noticed when I got my boarding pass that I had been moved across the aisle from the seat I had selected. I booked a window seat and was given an aisle seat instead. After boarding was complete I was surprised to see both my original seat and the one beside it was empty. So after takeoff I slid across the aisle over to my original booked seat to give myself and the person I was sitting beside some extra room. The flight attendant noticed and told me I couldn't sit there and I apologized and returned to my assigned seat. I assumed that there was something wrong with the seat and it wasn't safe to use. Later in the flight, after the drinks were served, two flight attendants came and sat in those two seats, lowered the tray tables, and played a game of cards. :lol: I believe it was Crazy Eights.
At Jazz in the Dash 8-100, Row 8 seats A & C are reserved as "crew seats" if there are 35 or less people. That way the F/A has somewhere to sit besides facing backwards in the jumpseat after service is completed. I am not sure which row it is on the Q, but I assume it is near the back near the galley in seats A & C. I don't know why when pre-selecting your seat online that those seats are available to the public, only to have them switched last minute at the gate... That's Air Canada's problem since they run the check-in system. Some F/A's place a placard on the seat before boarding commences that says something along the lines of "Reserved Seat / Do Not Use" so that people don't see empty seats and try to take them on their own.

But long story short, the seat(s) you wanted were most likely designated crew seats, and unless the aircraft is completely full, F/A's are contractually allowed to sit there and move passengers to other seats.
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Re: Employee Seating

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Completely pointless,
As mentioned by many people before.

I know quite a few full fair passengers who have once been upgraded for different reasons. They were quite ecstatic by the situation and enjoyed the flight and services more than ever. What happened next time they had to fly somewhere? They booked the cheapest flight (ie. whether it be WJ, Transat, AC etc). Sure didn't make them loyal to AC next time around.

So why give away a product for free? You don't.


And finally, once you start upgrading people for free the mentality changes from a "OMG I got first class" to "I CANT BELIEVE I DIDNT GET THAT UPGRADE, THIS IS BS!!"
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Re: Employee Seating

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You should see how Emirates deals with the deadheading of their crew - specifically Captains.
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Re: Employee Seating

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Do go on
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Re: Employee Seating

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I heard it was handjobs and caviar until TOD.
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Re: Employee Seating

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seriously though, I heard they don't get paid and can't drink.
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Re: Employee Seating

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or was it they don't get paid and give handjobs?

anyway...
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Re: Employee Seating

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altiplano wrote:I heard it was handjobs and caviar until TOD.
^

Now that was funny! :lol:
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Re: Employee Seating

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Jazz Q400, seats 4AC are designated crew seats and wont be given out until the plane is full...
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