Multi Engine Rating - How Neccisary Is It?

niss · Post by **niss** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:57 pm

Im still working at my PPL, but within the next 2 years I hope to be up north. I was just curious what is looked for in pilots more often up north, IFR or Multi? Obviously as a starving student pilot, certain ratings must be prioritized.

Niss

Sorry about the spelling

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:19 pm

If you're going Multi, spend the rest and go MULTI IFR! I would have had NUMEROUS more opportunities had I gone that route. Instead I wanna play on floats.

All the best to you!

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:27 pm

IFR is useless without the ME rating. Do both or none. I would imagine most of the operators in the North are operating ME IFR.

Out of Control · Post by **Out of Control** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:30 am

All in, double it up, split (just came back from casino but still the same thing, aviation is a gamble)

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:34 am

Ah, the age old question. To multi. or not to multi? Used to be, you'd go nowhere without the mighty multi rating. Today, it may well be a money grab? There are more single engine IFR jobs out there than ever before. The Caravans and PC12's rule the world where I fly. No reason I can think of, a guy cant get that first IFR job on one of these fine birds, with a single engine IFR. If the insurance companies require the FO on a single, to have a multi-IFR ticket, then they truely are the magots I think they are! Add to that the cost of getting a multi-IFR vs. a single? If you are going to fly floats, a single IFR might be a great help. Just keep in mind, that a multi-IFR ticket with 200-250 hours will lead(IF you're really lucky, or know somebody) to the right seat of a 'van or a 'puss at best....sooo....methinks the single IFR makes a lot of sence! Never understood the thought process that makes guys spend the big bucks on a multi-IFR when they have 200 hours? Get a thousand hours...then...get off your wallet?

2R · Post by 2R » Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:10 am

How valuable do you think Single Engine IFR is to the big guys in Canada.
PC-12 Or C208 you can go Hard-core IFR in either machine and the guy with 500 multi piston DVFR will get the interview before you.Not the case in the US where Single engine turbine operational experience is almost as valuable as twin turbine time with 1000 SEIFR you will get an interview with the Big Guys.
Do you think perceptions will ever change up north ?

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:42 am

When the time comes for an interview with the "big guys" of course you're boing to need a multi-IFR. No doubt about it. But you aint gonna get an interview with the "big guys" with 200 hours. Or 500 for that matter. Or even 1500. So what's the rush to spend the big bucks starting out? The multi-IFR syndrome is something stuffed down our throats by flight schools and time building instructors! A guy with 250 hours and a multi-IFR is as usefull as tits on a bull! IMHO, the trick is to get out there for as small as an investment as you can, and start building time? When you have a clue, and about fifteen hundred hours, then go get the multi-IFR. Then again, that's just my opinion...ymmv.

niss · Post by **niss** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:11 am

Well at this point in time I have to be very frugal, I have to decide what i will get first, Single IFR or a multi-rating. I figure ill need both eventually but for a low timer what am i more likly to encounter, many jobs for single engines in all sorts of weather, or more jobs for multi in fantastic weather?

ready2move · Post by **ready2move** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:40 am

If I was to go back, I would have got on the ramp with a company that has a pilot in waiting programe while working on my private and commercial. Then when your name gets close to the top do your MIFR so its all fresh when you do your PCC. Not sure what part of the country you in but Perimeter moves guys off the ramp to the Metro in about a year, some times less. Once on the metro you'll see enough of the north.

Just one of many opptions.

No longer Ready 2 move

quickflight · Post by **quickflight** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:41 pm

doc said...
There are more single engine IFR jobs out there than ever before. The Caravans and PC12's rule the world where I fly. No reason I can think of, a guy cant get that first IFR job on one of these fine birds, with a single engine IFR.

You know oddly enough I have multi ifr in fact have 1200hrs multi pic and now am looking at a pilat'ass'. Great airplane looking forward to getting home to it. But it's funny how things change in your perception.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:41 am

Out of Control wrote:All in, double it up, split (just came back from casino but still the same thing, aviation is a gamble)

gotta love splitting 10s

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:53 pm

Doc brings up a couple good points...

But I think the question is what are you going to say when the CP says there's a spot right seat on the Navajo... or on the King Air... Or you get to sit right seat on non-rev flights in the Twin Otter...

I really think you should get multi ifr but if not you should get your multi... get your multi, hit the books and the MS flight sim so you're ready to get your ifr in a hurry if a chance comes up...

PT6-114A · Post by **PT6-114A** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:10 pm

Here is a thought. Do your SEIFR and a multi rating. Then if you do get a job in the right seat your training and PPC ride will give you the MEIFR and you saved money. Now will you have a harder time finding a job at a place that has SE aircraft and ME aircraft with out having all the training when you get there.

niss · Post by **niss** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:02 pm

Now, obviously jobs with only 200TT are few and far between but lets assume there are a few of first ones, what are the odds of them being a multi? Are most of the entry levil positions single or dual? I am not planning on skipping out on my multi. I want all the ratings I can get, even my aerobatic, but I can only live at home for another 2 years for free, and I know I cant afford a multi and a float in that short period of time.

Niss

snag · Post by **snag** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:43 am

Here's my take on it,

I can't think of any places that will hire you with ME and no IFR. So save your money there. As far as just an IFR, most places that run singles IFR, have ME aircraft and will not want to hire you on your word that you will get the rating at a later date. It's like getting a ramp job with a PPL and promising to have a CPL by the time you're ready to go flightline. Not gonna happen.

If you are tight for cash, here's what I would consider. How about a float rating, as most single engine jobs are on floats. Although, don't count on being able to save up enough cash to get the other ratings. Another option is an instructor's rating. I know of many schools that hire guys without ME or IFR. Then you can also get deals on getting the MIFR rating later (sometimes).

Just decide what you want for a first job. Sooner or later you will have to spend the money. My first job was Multi Turbine F/O, so yes, you can get those with 200 hrs. Good luck bud.

S.

Canuck · Post by **Canuck** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:35 am

Unless the finances are a real problem, Id go for the MIFR. It is Pretty much a requirement all around including the North. All unless you are fortunate enough to land a single job to build some pic, in which case Id imagine you'd want a multi job at some point. You'll have to foot the bill at some point, the multi rating wont expire and your Ifr will get renewed when you get ppc'd at that point anyway.

niss · Post by **niss** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:51 pm

So MIFR should be my highest priority?

Niss

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:56 am

Spend your money and do your whole commercial on floats. Then you can actually get a job realistically. Make some cash and a couple years down the road get your MIFR.

LostinRotation · Post by **LostinRotation** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:24 pm

Working on my Multi now, as soon as I'm done I'll be jumping right into the IFR.

I already have the requirements for the IFR rating, now it's just a matter of hitting the sim until I have it all perfectly straight. Then it's back into the twin for a few hours of brush up and getting comfortable in the soup.
Should only equal another 5 hours in the twin... tops....I hope

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