Ontario Provincial Police Civilian Pilot Position

[Pratt X 3]

Apply By: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:59 pm EST

PILOT- FIXED WING AIRCRAFT
Organization: Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services
Division: Ontario Provincial Police
City: Thunder Bay
Job Term: 1 Permanent
Job Code: C0085 - TEMS Medic, FSB
Salary: $1,302.26 - $1,557.99 Per Week
Posting Status: Open
Job ID: 59583

http://www.gojobs.gov.on.ca/Preview.aspx?JobID=59583

[goldeneagle]

Interesting to note, when you read that link, PPC required.

[frozen solid]

Also interesting to note, that's only about $74,000 per year. I wonder if they want you to go get doughnuts for them or clean the can when you're not flying.

[photofly]

Ability to safely fly a Pilatus and Cessna aircraft during a variety of operational exigencies such as low level searches, precision remote sensing missions (e.g. FLIR/Gyro Cam tracking), high-risk prisoner escorts, marginal weather conditions and high-density air traffic.

Maybe there's danger money if the prisoner is a really really bad person.

[sstaurus]

Am I the only one then that thinks 74k is not bad for a PC-12 and/or 206? I hear it's a pretty good gig, and I'm sure the benefits are great. If you can get in that is..

Except for their PPC poaching attempt..

[goldeneagle]

Am I the only one then that thinks 74k is not bad for a PC-12 and/or 206? I hear it's a pretty good gig, and I'm sure the benefits are great.

It's a guvment job, the benefits (health, dental, etc) will stand head and shoulders over most benefits packages. Most flying jobs, particularily for light singles, dont come with any kind of benefits package, and other than more government positions, I doubt anybody on here flying a single engine is making 74K, and LOTS flying multi engines, are making a lot less.

Except for their PPC poaching attempt..

That's the market today.

I think a lot of folks with a pc-12 ppc, even under training contract, will be reading the payout terms of that contract today. In most cases, it's probably well worth the payout to make the switch.

[iflyforpie]

+1.

I don't know all of the details of OPP.... but the RCMP are very generous with benefits like pensions, heath and dental, paid vacations, moving expenses, yearly cost of living allowances, plus tons of other perks. These are huge when you consider what you'd have to pay for them out of pocket.

Yeah sure.... you could do better salary wise--paying more taxes on the higher portions--but I'm willing to bet it comes with significant lifestyle sacrifices and none of the job security.

[sstaurus]

That's what I thought. Guess I was just surprised at frozen solid's comment.

[frozen solid]

I guess I'm out of the loop. I don't see this as just any old single-engine job, nor do I see it as a "stepping stone" job. I would have thought it would offer a more attractive salary in order to attract a "lifer".

What do I know. I haven't contemplated looking for a job in over ten years.

[North Shore]

I'd imagine that's just a base salary, too. Probably based on M-F, 9-5; any hours on top of that is OT, which could amount to a fair bit..

(besides that, isn't $75k in TBay just like twice that in YYZ?)

[esp803]

I doubt anybody on here flying a single engine is making 74K

Nope, not 74, but well north of that. And I know of several others on here who do as well. Mind you this would be a pretty sweet gig I think... minus the living in the south. The big one for me would be pension.

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[boogs82]

Also interesting to note, that's only about $74,000 per year. I wonder if they want you to go get doughnuts for them or clean the can when you're not flying.

Do you really think the government is going to pay a salary higher than what they pay the cops who are flying? Do you think the OPP Association would allow it?

[frozen solid]

How should I know what cops get paid? I presently have a higher salary than most of the people I fly around. Do you mean that in addition to only making $74 000 a year, this pilot is going to have to endure wage competition and professional jealousy from his passengers? This is sounding worse and worse!

[Colonel Sanders]

How should I know what cops get paid?

In Ontario, they publish the "sunshine list" which is all
public employees who earned over $100k in the last
year.

As you might imagine, the list is very very lengthy, and
around here, all the OPP I know are on it.

[cdnpilot77]

I presently have a higher salary than most of the people I fly around.

Why don't you tell us this one more time, because your statements in this thread make you sound so grounded and humble!

[boogs82]

How should I know what cops get paid? I presently have a higher salary than most of the people I fly around. Do you mean that in addition to only making $74 000 a year, this pilot is going to have to endure wage competition and professional jealousy from his passengers? This is sounding worse and worse!

No I'm saying the memorandums of understanding with the OPP Uniform and OPP Civilian positions don't allow for a position that is traditionally staffed by uniform members to pay the same salary to a civilian employee. This is going to be what's known as a hybrid position now. All cost savings measures. But it's a government job. Which means it comes with benefits, per diems, security, overtime, shift premiums and a whole bunch of other stuff.

It's definitely got nothing to do with doughnuts and your smart a$$ comment shows not only your ignorance but lack of respect for the police and what they do.

But congratulations to you for having a higher salary than that and than most of your flying counterparts. Your arrogance must be what keeps the competition in the industry alive.

[Mr. T]

When did these positions become open to civilians? I was under the impression they were still reserved for OPP officer/operators only. Last I recall I've only seen officers driving OPD. When did this change?

[boogs82]

So far everybody flying OPD are still uniform but I guess they're looking at creating a balance between keeping front line members on the road doing police work and increasing the number of civilians who can do non-core policing jobs.

[frozen solid]

How should I know what cops get paid? I presently have a higher salary than most of the people I fly around. Do you mean that in addition to only making $74 000 a year, this pilot is going to have to endure wage competition and professional jealousy from his passengers? This is sounding worse and worse!

No I'm saying the memorandums of understanding with the OPP Uniform and OPP Civilian positions don't allow for a position that is traditionally staffed by uniform members to pay the same salary to a civilian employee. This is going to be what's known as a hybrid position now. All cost savings measures. But it's a government job. Which means it comes with benefits, per diems, security, overtime, shift premiums and a whole bunch of other stuff.

It's definitely got nothing to do with doughnuts and your smart a$$ comment shows not only your ignorance but lack of respect for the police and what they do.

But congratulations to you for having a higher salary than that and than most of your flying counterparts. Your arrogance must be what keeps the competition in the industry alive.

Holy crap, I give up. I'm not sure how this turned into me insulting police officers. I don't remember doing that. I don't understand how my belief that people like you deserve higher pay than you are apparently willing to settle for makes it OK to insult me, either. You should apologise. But whatever, enjoy your salary. For the record, I wasn't boasting about MY salary. You too can make more than $74000 a year if you put your mind to it. Flying was supposed to be a good-paying job. This particular job on offer seems to me to be worth more than that. And everybody likes doughnuts, pal. Even "civilians".

[boogs82]

No need for me to apologize for what you've said and you're a fool to assume I'm here because I want to be a career pilot. I'm well established in a career that pays more than the posted salary for this position. Not that my salary has anything to do with this or makes me more important than anybody else. Just pointing out that I don't have to settle for or accept anything.

[Liquid Charlie]

74 grand is less than what they would pay one of their members to fly since history showed it was staff srgt rank for their own pilots -- once again -- likely OK job for someone moving up but my feeling is it's saving a few coin on the backs of pilots again !

[boogs82]

Every time I've seen them around it was Sgt's. Staff Sgt's usually fill an administrative roll and are the managers in the OPP. Sgt's are still operational for the most part. Either way $74,000 will be the starting salary because everything in the OPP climbs with years of experience. I don't think there are too many other flying jobs that start at $74,000 and go up from there.