Bombardier to build the Q400 in Russia

[newcomer]

"The serial production of Bombardier Q400 aircraft will be launched in Russia in 2015. It was declared by the Managing Director of Aviation Projects of Russian Technologies State Corporation (Rostec), Alexei Fedorov, during a conference dedicated to prospects of Bombardier Q400 aircraft operation, ITAR-TASS reports."

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2014/1/24/2141/

[bizjets101]

Was in the Financial Post last summer;

Financial Post Aug 28 2013.


lyushin Finance Co. (IFC) Q400

[dhc#]

The way the Russians run businesses, Bombardier will have their pockets picked clean when this fiasco is said and done....and I really question the build quality of anything that's made by that vodka fuelled work force

[182-SS]

The way the Russians run businesses, Bombardier will have their pockets picked clean when this fiasco is said and done....and I really question the build quality of anything that's made by that vodka fuelled work force

Questioning the build quality because of drunk Russians would be like questioning anything built in the states due to their ( insert drug of choice here) problem or Canada because they’re all stoned out west and drunk out east. You only ever hear the bad about country’s on the news. Do I think Bombardier should be building planes there? No absolutely not. But not because they aren’t skilled or “drunk”

[nortont]

Good by jobs in Downsview...

[flatface]

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[goldeneagle]

and I really question the build quality of anything that's made by that vodka fuelled work force

And this is different from the North American beer fueled workforce in what way ?

[Pop n Fresh]

Did I get the wrong job? I have to be sober at work.

[jeta1]

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Vodk ... story.html

Anyone familiar with the various car crash compilations on YouTube, taken from the increasingly popular dash-cams, know that the Russians have very curious driving habits, which likely has something to do with the referenced article in the Vancouver Sun! On the other hand, Chris Hadfield did make it to and from the space station in a Russian-made rocket, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Pop n Fresh]

They made lots of great planes. Maybe they will continue with the Q400s. Personally I would like Canadians to make airplanes but word around here is they can't.

[MIQ]

I would also say that from an engineering point of view Russia has a pretty long success story. Something that you can't really say about Canada. Plus, it's not like the Dash 8's that are currently flying around and built in Canada are all that flawless...

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Russian (Soviet) built airlifters carried 80% of the Canadian Military equipment to and from Afghanistan.
The Il-76 is back in production now:



It:s 100% Russian designed and manufactured: the airframe, the engines, the avionics, the FMS, the software.......



Russia is also now producing the Sukhoi Superjet which is designed to be certified to western norms, and it obtained EASA certification. There are hundreds of orders, and Mexico just recently took delivery of its fourth one.



What are we Canadians laughing at and why ?

[xchox]

Russian Aviation & Aircraft is just as safe if not safer then North American Aviation if you omit Accidents attributed to Pilot Error during the Soviet times.

That being said... In the past 20 years, Pilot Error incidents & accidents are about the same as North America. (post soviet russia)

I have flown numerous Russian built aircraft and can say they are comparable to they're western built counter parts.

The IL-96 for example might burn more fuel then an A340... but you can replace all 4 engines for about the same amount as replacing 1 on the 340.

I have flown S7, Aeroflot, UTAir, Rossiya, and their service is equal to Air Canada, United, Delta, Lufthans etc. (UTair has a shitty paint scheme but that asside)

Now infrastructure on the other hand can use some serious updating. Especially in Central Russia. Moscow St Petersburg Vladivostok etc is fine... but when you fly into smaller communities, it could use some serious upgrades.

The Q400 is a very problematic aircraft. It's like a Ferrari... Absolutely gorgeous and fast... but if you don't pamper her... she is going to bitch moan whine complain and break down.

If you look at Russian aircraft... it's the complete opposite, they are built like tanks. Not advanced but will fly forever.

I think this will be a great combination for the Q400 program. It just sucks we are losing Canadian jobs. (in fairness... it's cheaper to build ANYTHING ANYWHERE outside of Canada and the US)

[NeverBlue]

What are we Canadians laughing at and why ?

...because they're ignorant.

Really??...you make your judgments of other countries by watching YouTube??

Bombardier makes the airplane...not Russia.

It's being built there primarily because of the Russian tax system. If it wasn't going to be built there they would buy something else instead or produce their own...end of story

[xchox]

I have flown numerous Russian built aircraft and can say they are comparable to they're western built counter parts.

I love how missing one word makes a HUGE difference to what your saying! I meant "I have flown ON numerous Russian built aircraft...

Really??...you make your judgments of other countries by watching YouTube??

Bombardier makes the airplane...not Russia.

It's being built there primarily because of the Russian tax system. If it wasn't going to be built there they would buy something else instead or produce their own...end of story

I don't know who the YouTube comment is directed at, but there is nothing wrong with getting some basis information off of that site. As long as it is from a reputable source and you can verify the information else where.

Rostec, Irkut, or UAC will be making the airplane. Not Russia or Bombardier. It will still be badged as a Bombardier aircraft though. I think what people are getting at here is that a Russian made Q400 will have a worse build quality then a Canadian built Q400. It is a legitimate argument as I know from first hand that Mexican built Volkswagen cars have a horrid build quality compared to those built in Germany.

I think when it comes to the Q400, it's different. Russian aviation companies REALLY want to break the Western market. Especially with the Il-76, Superjet, MC-21, AN-148 etc. If they do a good job with the Q400, I can see western airlines looking east.

And as for the Russian Tax system, yes. Also, Russian airlines are or were required to have a certain percentage of Russian Built aircraft. Look at the Airbus Engineering Centre in Moscow (ECAR). That leads me to believe that Western aircraft in Russia have to have a certain percentage of Russian time into them or parts... I maybe wrong, not sure. But I do know at one point CIS Airlines were required to have a certain percentage of Russian built equipment.

[xchox]

I also just added a thread with youtube links to 18 great documentaries in English on Russian aviation for those who would like to learn a little bit.

viewtopic.php?f=79&t=94444

[NeverBlue]

a Russian made Q400 will have a worse build quality then a Canadian built Q400. It is a legitimate argument as I know from first hand that Mexican built Volkswagen cars have a horrid build quality compared to those built in Germany.

I understand what you're saying but it's not a valid argument comparing Automobiles to Aircraft

Systems are in place to ensure they are exactly the same quality wise....believe it or not...

Is there something that Canadians have that Rusians don't have in their DNA and therefore prevents them from following instructions?????

Anyone familiar with the various car crash compilations on YouTube, taken from the increasingly popular dash-cams, know that the Russians have very curious driving habits,

...I didn't realize we've filmed every licensed Russian driving and posted it on Youtube...

[xchox]

a Russian made Q400 will have a worse build quality then a Canadian built Q400. It is a legitimate argument as I know from first hand that Mexican built Volkswagen cars have a horrid build quality compared to those built in Germany.

I understand what you're saying but it's not a valid argument comparing Automobiles to Aircraft

Systems are in place to ensure they are exactly the same quality wise....believe it or not...

I agree with you 100%. You missed this part in your quote: "I think what people are getting at here is that a Russian made Q400..."
And when I said it is a legitimate argument, I meant that if you don't know the certification process in building and aircraft etc... I fully understand why you may think of it as a poorly built aircraft based on other experiences such as Made in China Dollar Store items or my VW experience lol.

[NeverBlue]