Aviation Document Booklet - Expiration

[Colonel Sanders]

I know I'm not allowed to ask this, but why
are we on a 5 year cycle? Passports are on
a 10 year cycle now, aren't they?

If shorter time is better, why not have them
expire and renewed every year?

[Colibri]

Are all the booklets printed at one location? My licence expired in Jan, so in early Dec I went to the TC office and was told to expect a new one within three weeks. Well, within two weeks I had a new one... No joke. Quickest processing I've ever seen.

[Big Pistons Forever]

I know I'm not allowed to ask this, but why
are we on a 5 year cycle? Passports are on
a 10 year cycle now, aren't they?

If shorter time is better, why not have them
expire and renewed every year?

I was told by a TC person that the requirement for a picture and a 5 year life for the document was driven by ICAO rules. I think they are trying to get on top of fraudulent licenses from certain reputationally challenged countries out there.

My big beef is why they did not go to a drivers license card format like the AME's have. The booklet is a PITA to carry

Incidentally if you want to be mad at TC then you can piss on them about the radio license. Apparently a TC guy got Industry Canada approval to put the radio license in the booklet. Industry Canada was ready to provide all the data when the TC guy moved to another job. The new guy never got briefed on what was happening and by the time Industry Canada phoned and asked what was going on the new booklet was already being issued so it was too late to add a page for the radio license

[floats4fun]

Can someone please tell me if you have to personally
Drop off your renewal and if not how do you provide a secondary
Piece of valid identification without having to mail it in along with the renewal?

If going in to a local office is the only way to renew ( so you can verify your identity)
This whole process is for the birds.

Sorry for the poor grammar.

[AirFrame]

I filled in my passport number for the secondary ID requirement when I mailed my renewal. That's all they got, and I did get my new ADB in the mail.

[creepilot]

Went to see TC 2 weeks before expiry date. They told me they would take care of it the same day. Received it by mail 1 week later
That was last month.

[chu me]

I have only one thing to add to this thread. It is politburo not polet bureau.

Have at'er

Sincerely

Chu me

[DGuy]

I did not realize that my Canadian Aviation Booklet expired. After discovery I requested a temporary licence from the MOT . They replied that You can NOT obtain a temporary licence on an expired Aviation Booklet, although my instrument and medical are valid. Thankfully it is not my working licence, as I use the Canadian licence only for personal flying. But it would have been a different matter if my income depended on it. I should have observed the expiry date of the booklet, but at the same time I do think the Ministry is unreasonable in not providing temporary licences if You are current on your IFR, Medical, (and Type if appropriate). Even with extra charges, since it is Your oversight. Maybe I should request a (tourist) validation based on a foreign licence, just in case it takes 90 days to issue a new "aviation Booklet". I must say that is is very nice blue booklet.

[Brown Bear]

Mine expires March 1. The paperwork has been sent in. If I can't get a temp licence I'll just grab a cheap flight to Mexico and work on my tan till they get around to sending a renewal.

[Colonel Sanders]

Mine expires March 1

I might be wrong, but I suspect that this
spring and summer, there will be thousands
of blissfully unaware pilots flying on expired
pilot licences.

A bureaucratic triumph is when you can
maneuver the paper in such as way as to
make criminals out of law-abiding citizens.

[Trapper]

We'll said CS. Only in Canada Eh!

[Colonel Sanders]

I just don't know why we have to make
things so tough.

My FAA ATP is a compact little plastic
card, with no expiry date. Handy for
scraping ice.

Ok, we have to be different and have
a poofy passport-style pilot licence
"just because".

I accept that. But why can't we have
10 year validity on our pilot licences,
like passports now?

[Brown Bear]

PILOT LICENCES SHOULD NEVER EXPIRE
Even the old ugly paper licences never rally expired. They were replaced as needed?
As usual, stupidity reigns supreme, as something SO simple is made almost impossible by TC.
I guess a credit card sized, PERMANENT licence would result in lay offs?
Say nothing of the fact, a passport can be had in a couple of days??

[A Regulator]

From what I was told back when TC was introducing it I was on one of the original briefings about why, so the old licence Was very prone to falsification and I saw many. You had to carry both a licence and medical that didn't match with each other. When you compared those to some of the other ICAO documents ours looked like @$!

So lots of ideas was discussed and talked about including the FAA one however Canada went with a document that met ICAO requirements and other security required items. As ours is a licence and not a certificate like other countries, our old licence could and was used for obtaining other identification and identity theft. The new aviation document has many security features built in to it, to help prevent that from happening.

I like the new documents compared to the old ones and like everything else in flying it has an expiry date. If you submit your renewal in the time frames required you will get a new document BUT you may have to carry both Aviation Documents because you may need the other items such as medical, IRT/PPC valid to dates in the old one.

Your Ops Manager, Chief Pilot, and you should be checking to ensure you have valid documents to fly.

Mmmm...should I say your company should have systems in place to ensure crew are valid to do the flights.

[Doc]

I can get a passport renewed in 48 hours. You people need 40 days? WHY?

[A Regulator]

Passport Canada offers that service for I believe an extra fee and they only issue passports, I don't know if that is the entire issue but TC Licencing does a lot of other things in addition to the aviation document and it takes time. In some cases longer in different regions and shorter in others.

In short Doc I don't have an answer

[Doc]

I have to assume, that if your application is in before your licence dies, your "donkey" is covered?
D

[A Regulator]

Doc not sure what you are referring to and don't want to get into arguments but you need to have valid documents to fly. It is up to you to ensure you do and if you need to get a temp documents so be it. When the Govt introduced reduced budgets and job reductions that equaled reduced service. Not sure what else can be done, there are those that continue to try and do what they can with the reduced resources. I do not foresee it getting any better in the future.

[Colonel Sanders]

I guess a credit card sized, PERMANENT licence

You're describing my FAA pilot certificate,
which is the same size as my driver's licence,
and fits nicely in my wallet.

As to why TC insists our pilot licences must
expire every 5 years - oh, well. Progress.

[Pop n Fresh]

No picture on your FAA certificate. But you might have a passport and driver's license so ID is covered. The secure ID like a fancy license renewable every five years unless you lose 100 pounds and need a new picture seems reasonable. Then again TC...

[CD]

Well, the US is planning to change their airmen certificates again too. Some of the highlights from a separate summary posted online:

On November 19, 2010, the FAA issued an NPRM entitled, Photo Requirements for Pilot Certificates (Docket No. FAA-2010-1127; Notice No. 2010-16). Key elements in this NPRM and in other documents include:

* A proposed fee to the FAA of $50 per new certificate and $25 per replacement.
* A requirement that student pilots wait 6-8 weeks to get a certificate before solo.
* A claim that the new certificate fee represents no net cost to society.
* An assertion that the proposed photo procedure is "in the interest of reducing burdens on the certificate holder..."
* A claim that foreign pilots holding U.S. certificates would incur no additional travel expense as a result of having to visit a testing center, FSDO, or DPE.
* An FAA estimated total cost of $718.7 million to implement photo certificates.

Taking all associated costs into account (e.g., FAA and testing center fees, pilot time, photo and travel expenses, etc.), the FAA estimates the financial burden on pilots to be $210 per new certificate. Under the current NPRM, flight instructors will have the added burden of needing to procure a new, $210 photo certificate every two years when they renew their CFIs.

The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA) now requires the FAA to issue pilot's licenses with photographs. According to concerned SAFE member Robert Hadow, “The FAA has a legal reason to replace the certificate system for the second time in six years, and apparently sees this as an opportunity to increase fees and staffing.” A flight school owner and instructor, Hadow added, “The aviation community needs to get engaged in this issue to get something that works, rather than a regression to a paper-based 8710 system requiring a physical visit to a FSDO or testing center.”

Failing to respond to the NPRM is likely to result in a process that adds up to $210 every time a pilot certificate or flight instructor certificate is issued...

The full docket associated with the proposed changes can be found at the following link:

FAA-2010-1127-0001 - Photo Requirements for Pilot Certificates

[Colonel Sanders]

Just because the NTSB or FAA asks for something,
doesn't mean they always get it.

Unlike in Canada, where the gov't just rams through
whatever law they want, the US gov't is actually
marginally accountable to their citizens, whom can
actually influence proposed laws if they are unhappy
with them. Compare the lobbying efforts of AOPA
and EAA to COPA, for example.

[pez]

One critical thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is medical validity when getting a replacement booklet issued... I know this only because my ADB seems to find itself in the wash once a year (don't ask).

Basically, when you get your medical renewed, proof of that is the stamp the CAME puts in your ADB. The paperwork the CAME sends in sits at TC for quite some time - in many cases upwards of 60 days, before being reviewed and entered into their system. Now, if you are in need of a new ADB for some reason in the window where you've renewed your medical and have a stamp to prove it in the old ADB, but TC has not yet processed the paperwork, the new ADB will have your old medical date listed...

They seem to be quite friendly if you call and check medical date and then explain - it seems to get fixed. If not though, you're likely to have an expired medical date in your shiny new ADB.

[skyclear350]

make sure you use black pen only!

[Pop n Fresh]

make sure you use black pen only!

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