Canadian Jet does Gear up landing

[bizjets101]

This is where C-GYCJ ended up after their gear up, I recall the crew thought the nose gear collapsed on landing, it wasn't until they went back into the aircraft to retrieve items, one pilot noticed they hadn't lowered the gear!!


But then again, here's a US Army Ultra .... ooops ...


Elmendorf Air Force Base Alaska

[pdw]

...I recall the crew thought the nose gear collapsed on landing, it wasn't until they went back into the aircraft to retrieve items, one pilot noticed they hadn't lowered the gear!!

In this instance (the example above) if the pilot who "noticed" was actually in charge of lowering the gear, well that would be something to forget to the point of thinking gear collapse and not even realizing until seeing his own evidence upon returning to the aircraft later.

Or if the other crew member was responsible, who knows, the "gear collapse" idea may have been the last ditch effort for a smarter way out / an attempt at 'living it down'. (In that case, it almost reads like that idea might have been working.)

[Rookie50]

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[bizjets101]

Ouch - wow - new paint scheme!!

[cdnpilot77]

Well not to be one to bow to the peer pressure of anyone, but I re-thought my comment and decided to edit.

[atpl53]

The Partenavia at the island in Toronto was a fixed gear airplane with a gear handle, lights and horn. All so that they could teach multi IFR to satisfy TC.

[trey kule]

I hate to get all touchy feelie here, but posting pics of the accident aircraft, and the comments that followed really lack class.
But perhaps I am missing something. Can anyone explain to me the learning value of visually sharing someone's owie, or the comments posted that followed it.
Please be specific. What did anyone learn from the pix of the accident aircraft? Or the tongue in cheek comments that followed.

The pilot screwed up. I think they get it.

[bizjets101]

Suggest you block me, you won't see the hundreds of photos I've posted under robbreid or bizjets101.

I think you get it.

[trey kule]

Nope. You did not answer my question at all. What is the purpose of posting the pic and the rather tasteless post that followed

[BverLuver]

Trey Kule,

Perhaps, for once, keep YOUR opinion to yourself. I find the pictures and his posts fascinating and informative and a learning point, as I suspect most on this site do. You don't speak for everyone, so please STFU once in a while. Maybe just go with a medium horse for a change and leave the high horse for someone else for a day. Thank you

BL

[trey kule]

What did you learn from the accident picture? Please share so I can climb down from my horse and avoid someone swearing at me and telling me to shut up.

I hope I did not leave the impression I spoke for everyone. Do you?

[GUMPS]

I'm going to side with Trey on this one. I personally find the "here's the aircraft that crashed, but before it was pranged up or destroyed" just in bad taste.

[bizjets101]

If your familiar with Miles O'Brien, used to work for CNN - he is a friend of mine - has a SR-22 based at Teterboro - he had a non aviation related accident on Feb 12, on Feb 14th he had an arm amputated.

So I'm sitting here talking to him, and checking the site to see what I assume are grown adults whining about a photo that has absolutely nothing to do with them, that is post on a free public Canadian Aviation forum

As far as I can tell neither of you are moderators, or censors - I don't give a crap whether you like the photo of not, it's on topic, its' Canadian - period - grow some balls and stop whining, or be a man and send me a PM instead of crying like babies.

As for the high and mighty guy with 3000 posts or whatever it is, I'm sure we all learned much from every single one of your 3000 posts - I'm going to guess under robbreid and bizjets101 I've probably posted a couple hundred photos - so just block me. Have a nice evening - got bigger things to deal with.

[LousyFisherman]

Everyone is not functioning 100% at the end of a long day. The point being it is not black and white. Common sense is necessary.

You mean like taxiing in after your first float solo with the flaps at 40

LF

[bizjets101]

Not sure if this was being operated as Single Pilot flight or not, Bahamas news stated there were 3 passengers on board - not sure if that included pilot/pilots. Kelly, the owner of GKPC was at the accident airport two weeks earlier in his Citation - so it was familiar to him.

Here are 3 other pilots operating Single Pilot jets that got ahead of them.

N54PV Citation Mustang did a high speed ground loop in Oceanside CA to prevent going off the end of the runway, when the owner/pilot became overwhelmed with electrical failures inflight and was fatigued upon landing. NTSB Report.



N333MY Eclipse EA500 the pilot came in too fast and lost control on the runway with heavy braking NTSB Report.



N6JR Premier 1A (Jack Roush) flying with a passenger into Oshkosh - stalled at low level and crashed NTSB Report. and AvCanada thread.

[pelmet]

Bizjets....you are one of the best posters here. Please do not change a thing.

[Colonel Sanders]

3 other pilots operating Single Pilot jets that got ahead of them

It's a good thing that all fighter jets have two
pilots, sitting side by side, correcting each other

I know it is religious mantra here that two marginal
pilots are always better than one good pilot, but ...

There is nothing magical about a jet. Steve Wozniak
crashed a Bonanza. If he was flying a jet, he would have
crashed that, too.

Jets are easy to fly. Their workload is MUCH less than
a comparable piston aircraft.

Just because some knob can't fly an airplane which
happens to be a jet, doesn't mean that we should
always have two knobs in them, regardless of how
good it is for pilot employment, which is the real
subject.

You want Bonanzas and all other retractable-gear
aircraft to be operated two pilot? How about three
pilots? Heck, why not four pilots?

I know a rich guy that groundlooped a P-51. Should
he have had one of you guys sitting beside him?

Tailwheel aircraft get crashed a lot, too. Do we need
an AvCan four-bars to fly co-pilot in every taildragger?

When a jet, or retractable gear aircraft, or tailwheel
aircraft crashes, the solution is probably NOT to throw
a low-time pilot in the right seat.

It's to have a better pilot in the left seat.

This is very hard to understand, but you guys sneer
at flight training, which is what is needed here. Not
low-time pilot employment.

[PilotDAR]

You want Bonanzas and all other retractable-gear
aircraft to be operated two pilot? How about three
pilots? Heck, why not four pilots?

Ha! You know what DID work? The four pilots of Asiana did get the wheels down, before they smeared them off on the SFO breakwall!

On to a new thread in training.....

[bizjets101]

I agree Steve would crash a jet if like his 1981 accident - NTSB Final Report; PILOT IN COMMAND - LACK OF FAMILIARITY WITH AIRCRAFT - MISCELLANEOUS - UNQUALIFIED PERSON OPERATED AIRCRAFT.

So yeah - if he wasn't qualified in a jet, but bought one, crashed one - I agree that wouldn't surprise me either.

[bizjets101]

Owner needs a buyer ASAP - aircraft has a claim amount of $850.000.oo - and will be sold to the
highest bidder in 3 days. Aircraft has 4579.5 hours TT, as is, where is.

[CID]

Power management in a jet is easier but generally speaking flying a jet is not easier. Of course there are exceptions but things happen much faster on a jet and there are advanced systems that need tending. Whatever workload you reduced in power management is traded off again in the workload you gain in the higher performance and complex systems.

[Big Pistons Forever]

Owner needs a buyer ASAP - aircraft has a claim amount of $850.000.oo - and will be sold to the
highest bidder in 3 days. Aircraft has 4579.5 hours TT, as is, where is.

A beyond economic repair jet stuck in the back of beyond. I would be surprised if the insurance company doesn't have to pay somebody to take it off their hands.......

[Colonel Sanders]

generally speaking flying a jet is not easier

If you can fly a Cherokee, you can fly a Citation.

[Big Pistons Forever]

I love Bill Lear's line about how hard the Learjet was to fly. Nonsense he said, it a 2 lever airplane. You set lever "A", pointing to the power levers, and then lever be.

[Colonel Sanders]

It bugs me when people spread disinformation.

There are many airplanes that I can recall
which can be a handful, but a Cessna Citation
is not one of them

There are two levers and two rudder pedals.