Perimeter

[flyinhigh]

Heard the other day the TC went to perimeter and told them they got 90 days to get their planes up to snuff.

Now I have not saw anything in the media or anywhere else so I am under the impression that this is false, problem is I heard it from a perimeter employee. Anyone able to flat out deny or confirm this?

[Airmanship Police]

Those metros are in such a good shape.....

[ScudRunner]

300nm north of ywg @ FL200 conflicts please advise 126.7

[Rudder Bug]

If only the captains, or TC, or almost everybody else flying knew that " conflicts please advise 126.7 " is not in the established and approved radio procedures, it would not have become a pet peeve for some of us.

I can get really mad every time I hear that, enough to mute the freaking radio.

This has nothing to do with Perimeter though. I've heard it from other "big" aircraft.

[burhead1]

Has been a Metro at CYEE for some time now getting a complete overhaul, they have been doing test flight over the past couple of weeks.

[Liquid Charlie]

I've heard it from other "big" aircraft.

-- there are no "big" aeroplanes in NWO and northern manitoba --

[burhead1]

Test flight?

lots of speed and alt changes.

http://prod.flightaware.com/live/flight/PAG981

[bobcaygeon]

Yes-test flights, G950 (G1000 w/o a/p) being installed/STC'd.
A big job considering none of the Garrett engine gauges are digital (or even exist) like on the Pratt (Blackhawk STC)

Yes FULL EFIS in a Metro, even the annunciator panel!!

Not even the B200/350 gets that upgrade.

BTW When you get to a certain size TC always takes a closer look at you once in awhile. 5 DH8's on the premises. You don't get 90 days if there are serious deficiencies.


IMHO

[PositiveRate27]

Is this special metro FTSK? She was the first metro in my log book when I flew for Carson. Word has it she was sold to Perimeter and given a fancy makeover. Does anyone have any pictures of the old pig with her fancy lipstick?

[sstaurus]

I have to wonder, how much life could possibly be left in the airframes, to make it cost effective to add full glass panels? Obviously somebody worked out the numbers...

[single_swine_herder]

Perimeter is exceptional at understanding the cost of doing business and controlling the factors which made and continue to make the company sufficiently profitable to remain in business for a very long time to date.

The Metro airframes are a well known commodity, and they have in-house capability to fix, overhaul, or design and certify pretty much anything the airplane could ever need or be wanted by the operator.

They were paid off long, long ago, and the direct operating costs calculated to the penny per mile for any item you may wish to ask about.

Having watched them operate very astutely ..... I sure wouldn't want to run an operation in side by side competition to them and expect to come away the winner in an economics contest.... especially with a start-up using leased or financed equipment. It would be like practising bleeding to death.

About 10 years ago, I heard they flew approximately 35,000 sectors in a year with the Metros. I find that quite remarkable actually. Now that the Dash 8's are in service, that may have changed.

[oldtimer]

I heard it from a responsible source that the cost of maintaining a G950 is a fraction of the cost of maintaining old steam driven avionics. Instead of removing entire radios, simply install new circuit boards.

[NeverBlue]

I heard it from a responsible source that the cost of maintaining a G950 is a fraction of the cost of maintaining old steam driven avionics. Instead of removing entire radios, simply install new circuit boards. 

Umm....no

They may be more reliable but definately not field repairable by simply "replacing circuit boards"

Normally they're sent back to factory. We're talking up to $10k for warranty plans covering the entire G1000 suite. $1000 - $2000 flat rate repair for the LRUs.

Not cheap!

[Liquid Charlie]

We're talking up to $10k for warranty plans covering the entire G1000 suite. $1000 - $2000 flat rate repair for the LRUs.

That looks pretty cheap to me -- INS units back in the day were 50 grand just to open the box let a lone fix it -- Lynden converted their hercs over to glass at a Million a copy and payback was less than 5 years -- I know we are comparing airline standard to Garmin Standard but still digital is the way to go -- I find it hard to believe people are still doing stepdown approaches -- we had "coffee" grinder ADF units in the past -- I can't believe coffee grinder GPS units are still being used --

[Koopa]

Don't forget the ~200 pound weight difference between the old steam gauges/radios and the Garmin. 200 more pounds of freight on every northbound leg.

[sstaurus]

Not that perimeter would experience this much, but how do LCDs do when cold soaked at -40 in the morning? I wouldn't know, my company is still coffee grinders and steam powered

[turbo-prop]

but how do LCDs do when cold soaked at -40 in the morning? I wouldn't know, my company is still coffee grinders and steam powered

The G1000 is fine until -40 then if it is cold soaked to -40 thenit has to be warmed up for 30 minutes.

[NeverBlue]

That looks pretty cheap to me

That's a 2 yr warranty plan for $10K...sometimes labour is extra.

pretty cheap?...for a GA aircraft like a DA40?

in another forum here people won't even pay $5K for a 406 ELT install...

[J31]

Not that perimeter would experience this much, but how do LCDs do when cold soaked at -40 in the morning? I wouldn't know, my company is still coffee grinders and steam powered

Even the steam powered need to be warmed up after a -40 cold soak before they work very well.