the race

[NeverBlue]

I would say 90% of the AME's here agree with me. At least I have experience in multiple industries to back up what I say.

...and I'm the arrogant one

[Troubleshot]

I would say 90% of the AME's here agree with me. At least I have experience in multiple industries to back up what I say.

...and I'm the arrogant one

Who called you arrogant?...naive yes...

but hey since you brought it up

[GyvAir]

Well, they're moving in the right direction if they want to find a compentent person.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=94831

Starting wage rate: $28.90/hr. We offer fair pay and a comprehensive benefits package.

I don't know what the current housing situation is in Yorkton; has it been affected by the rush that some of the rest of SK has? If not, one might be able to do alright at that wage.

[newbiewings]

For what it's worth, and IMHO, the wage offered is low for the experience required/desired.

I work in the Oil & Gas industry in Ft. McMurray, and although it may be it's own bubble, you can do far better money with less experience or education.

Taking a haul truck operators course at the local college will pretty much guarantee you a job that STARTS in the $40 - $45/hour range, with full benefits from day one. The course is approx $6 - 8K, and you get a paid co-op term, usually by the company that will likely hire you when it's done. You don't have to buy a single tool, and other than steel-toe boots, ( for which, you're given a tax free allowance each year ) your PPE is provided.

At my work, You can be a Cat 797 operator and easily make $150K or better your first year. You will be trained on other pieces of equipment which will increase your wage, and just on time alone, will make top rate in 5 years. ( currently just over $57/hr )

Considering the 797 operator doesn't even have to fuel their own vehicle ( that's another job ) or fix it, ( HD Mechanic ) then I think it's fair to say that an AME with those qualifications and experience is worth more. Especially when you consider the legal ramifications their signature carries.

I'll grant you that living in The Mac isn't cheap, but then again, nowhere is cheap if you're not making a liveable wage... I've scraped by in the past and it wasn't what I would call fun.

[Pat Richard]

The argument you will probably hear back is "you have to live in ft mac", " have to work outside", "airplanes are cooler" etc, etc.
Apparently working in places like iqaluit, inuvik, cambridge, etc for less money, very possibly outside and at night, with higher initial debt load, is much better because you get to fondle airplanes.


No amount of debating with real facts/comparisons will convince these type otherwise.
Funny thing is though, it looks like the majority have begun to talk with their feet. I have never seen the frequency of reposted ame job ads like I have in the past six months. Funny that such an awesome industry repels its own experienced workers.

Wonder if you could post a link to the coop course you're mentioning?

[NeverBlue]

Pat Richard,

You've been making this same argument for years now...yet you are still here.

Maybe we'd all take you seriously if you'd just explain why you aren't a truck driver or a welder or a power generation technician, but instead still (apparently) bitter disillusioned AME.

Why don't you take your own advice????????

It makes no sense at all...................

[NeverBlue]

$6 - $8k to learn how to drive a truck???? Hmmmmmmmm

I learned how to operate a CAT 235 excavator, a JD 450 dozer, and a Western Star 5000 fuel truck when I was 16...from my uncle. Did it for 4 years after that.

...Ya...I like my job now better...I stay clean and dry and warm in the winter and cool in the summer and I'm home after an 8 hour shift.

[Pat Richard]

Ha ha ha!

"we would all" ???

No no, YOU are the only one who keeps demanding explanation over and over from me about my motivation for posting here. Dont think for a second you are part of any kind of majority or that I will ever feel obliged to explain anything because you think you require/demand it. I really can't express how much I could care less.

Understand?

I hope this puts an end to your incessant questioning, but I very much doubt it, and Im sure you will continue to prove me right in that regard as you have in the past.

piss off

sincerly

Pat

[newbiewings]

The argument you will probably hear back is "you have to live in ft mac", " have to work outside", "airplanes are cooler" etc, etc.
Apparently working in places like iqaluit, inuvik, cambridge, etc for less money, very possibly outside and at night, with higher initial debt load, is much better because you get to fondle airplanes.


No amount of debating with real facts/comparisons will convince these type otherwise.
Funny thing is though, it looks like the majority have begun to talk with their feet. I have never seen the frequency of reposted ame job ads like I have in the past six months. Funny that such an awesome industry repels its own experienced workers.

Wonder if you could post a link to the coop course you're mentioning?

http://www.keyano.ca/Academics/Programs ... ionAndFees

Fort McMurray is not the same place it has earned it's reputation for. Yes, there are idiots that continue to fuel the stories, but idiots exist everywhere. The people that seem to slag it the most are those that are away from home & family for long periods of time, trying to make a living here because they can't earn one there. This place can give you the ability to set yourself up for a financially secure future, or it can lead you down the rocky path of self destruction. The choice is yours.

I've been living here for the past 6 years, and it was the best move I could have made. I'm a process operator, and my job entails working outside in any weather and carries the risk of exposure to lots of things that can kill you. I'm paid a decent wage for that.

Considering what an AME is responsible for, shouldn't they be paid a fair wage too?

[Badfarmer]

And the industry wonders why AMEs are on the decline. pfffffft

[NeverBlue]

And the industry wonders why AMEs are on the decline. pfffffft

there's more AMEs in Canada than ever before.

Ha ha ha!

"we would all" ???

No no, YOU are the only one who keeps demanding explanation over and over from me about my motivation for posting here. Dont think for a second you are part of any kind of majority or that I will ever feel obliged to explain anything because you think you require/demand it. I really can't express how much I could care less.

Understand?

I hope this puts an end to your incessant questioning, but I very much doubt it, and Im sure you will continue to prove me right in that regard as you have in the past.

piss off

sincerly

Pat

funny...exactly what WE thought you'd say

You're the naive one if you think you represent the majority....not all readers here post...in fact most don't and never have.

and I learned how to spell sincerely when I was in grade 5...around the same time I learned the meaning of couth...something which you have none of.

Considering what an AME is responsible for

An AME is responsible for doing their job correctly and nothing more...so much drama

[rolly117]

YZF Ames with 10+ years in the business make 40 to 50 an hour + OT, dis air is not in this club but the majority of operators will pay good, 100g and up. The only problem i found was the more you make the more they want out of you and your shelf life is short you will burn out!

[Pat Richard]

I learned the meaning of couth...

Really??

You do know insulting people is the opposite of what couth is, right?

What am I saying...you must...because you know everything.

So, we would like to know, how many times have you had your posts edited/warned by mods because of your superior manners??
Yeah, must be because you're just dripping with couth...

Probably the worst case of superiority complex I've ever run in to.

..and you fix airplanes

Scary

[NeverBlue]

So, we would like to know, how many times have you had your posts edited/warned by mods

Sure...twice...both times responding to you.
Once I called you ignorant. Which isn't an insult but an opinion. The second was I said "I....t's", which is totally in the eye of the beholder and not a word at all.

Now, I fix airplanes because l'm good at it which has nothing to do with a "superiority" complex.
...and I've reached the level of pay and resposibility because of who I am and the attitude that I've always carried.

I get results and you can't fake that.

So you can batter me...insult me...insult my mentally challenged sister...insult my immigrant family members...and insult my profession.

...but it will never change me or my attitude.

I love my job and I love this industry.

[Pat Richard]

So you can batter me...insult me...insult my mentally challenged sister...insult my immigrant family members...and insult my profession.

...but it will never change me or my attitude.

Just finished watching Braveheart, huh?

Only twice? Not just the maintenance section, but Avcanada.
I know for sure its more than that, but I understand why you wouldnt want that known, what with your imaginary reputation for couth and all...


Again, arrogance and sense of superiority at its finest

Keep talking, it's very obvious when you do

[NeverBlue]

Pat, can you explain to me why you want to stay in aviation?

'cause I love airplanes. They're cool....

Where ever have I stated I want to stay in aviation??

I just like coming in here and popping peoples balloons.


Bye

...that was in 2010

Only twice? Not just the maintenance section, but Avcanada.
I know for sure its more than that, but I understand why you wouldnt want that known,

show me where...

Cheers

[747-875]

Speaking of race to the bottom...

Anyways. My opinion on the topic: signing out airplanes for under $30/hour is a waste of your time. I'm currently signing out airplanes for a little more than that, and life is pretty good. I'm not by any means rich, but I'm living pretty comfortably and I think what I'm getting out of the company is pretty fair for what I put in.

We do have a lot of responsibility, when things go south it can quite easily be our butt on the line. However, if you know what your doing it's not all that bad either. There's better jobs out there, but there's also much worse jobs out there. A good AME is easily worth over 75 a year, but a good AME also is not superman...

Again, just my opinion.

[NeverBlue]

An AME is responsible for doing their job correctly and nothing more.

If an AME does their job correctly and someone dies they are not responsible...period.

It's a terrible position to be in, but it can never be their fault if they have followed all of the correct procedures and processes.

Now the consequences for doing their job incorrectly are potentially huge... but we shouldn't expect to be compensated in case we do something wrong.

...that's what insurance is for I guess.

[rolly117]

Hey P Richard you sound more like you talk than walk its ok! dont worry nobody couth or brains will work with you

[Pat Richard]

...and you my friend sound like you didn't quite make it out Grade 3 comprehension, which is where you probably put together the awesome insult. It was kinda like if a group of people are talking about hockey, and then someone suddenly decides to announce how great the new purina cat chow commercials are.

Maybe ask neverblue to help you out next time, because that was pathetic.

Never know, he just might find you interesting...

[NeverBlue]

Boy...show'n the "love" again huh?

why again is it you have such a hard time getting a job you like?.....

[1000 HP]

That is an absurd offer. Good grief.

I was making more than that as an apprentice 10 years ago.

Double it and now we're talkin'..

You were lucky. 10 years ago I was offered minimum wage as an apprentice. I went to the oil patch and drove a truck for $27 hr plus overtime. Loved it! Now I'm an Artificial Lift Consultant working a one month rotation overseas. I still like mechanical work and assist the mechanics on my aircraft annual

[1000 HP]

For what it's worth, and IMHO, the wage offered is low for the experience required/desired.

I work in the Oil & Gas industry in Ft. McMurray, and although it may be it's own bubble, you can do far better money with less experience or education.

Taking a haul truck operators course at the local college will pretty much guarantee you a job that STARTS in the $40 - $45/hour range, with full benefits from day one. The course is approx $6 - 8K, and you get a paid co-op term, usually by the company that will likely hire you when it's done. You don't have to buy a single tool, and other than steel-toe boots, ( for which, you're given a tax free allowance each year ) your PPE is provided.

At my work, You can be a Cat 797 operator and easily make $150K or better your first year. You will be trained on other pieces of equipment which will increase your wage, and just on time alone, will make top rate in 5 years. ( currently just over $57/hr )

Considering the 797 operator doesn't even have to fuel their own vehicle ( that's another job ) or fix it, ( HD Mechanic ) then I think it's fair to say that an AME with those qualifications and experience is worth more. Especially when you consider the legal ramifications their signature carries.

I'll grant you that living in The Mac isn't cheap, but then again, nowhere is cheap if you're not making a liveable wage... I've scraped by in the past and it wasn't what I would call fun.

I've lived in Fort Mac and I really liked it. Lots of aircraft around to play with in your spare time too

[hoptwoit]

An AME is responsible for doing their job correctly and nothing more.

If an AME does their job correctly and someone dies they are not responsible...period.

It's a terrible position to be in, but it can never be their fault if they have followed all of the correct procedures and processes.

Now the consequences for doing their job incorrectly are potentially huge... but we shouldn't expect to be compensated in case we do something wrong.

...that's what insurance is for I guess.

You should get out the office more often. That mentality works fine if you live in a box or do bench work but when you are working nights trying to troubleshoot a transient engine power issue things get a little more muddy. You cant replicate the snag. Is it indication error? Is something actually going south? or is it nothing? To add to the situation the guy that works 9-5 and lives in a neat little box is on the phone wondering what the hold up is. He will tell you anything you want to hear to make you feel better about sending that airplane out and if anything goes wrong he will forget all about you're conversation last night and fall back on the seldom spoken but often used corporate motto "I didn't say it was you're fault. I said I'm going to blame you."
I used to think if you are good at what you do then the cream would rise to the top. After years in the workforce I have decided that $hit floats. This is not unique to aviation it is prevalent in many industries. But lets face it regardless of the industry its really all about attitude. So if you are willing to throw people under the bus to save your hide (then in the new corporate culture), congratulations!! you are probably management material.
I could not help it. I looked up couth and here is what I found from Webster's.

Definition of COUTH

: sophisticated, polished

Examples of COUTH

<he's remarkably couth for someone who grew up in a small town with limited cultural opportunities>

OOOHHHH I get it its another management buzzword.
Couth Good at telling people what they want to hear.
BS artist.

As a paying passenger on a plane do I want the guy who can effectively execute an action plan in a fast paced dynamic work environment? or the guy who knows how to fix the F*&cn plane.

Flame on!!

[Pat Richard]