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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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Fact: At Air Georgian base salary for the captian postion on the CRJ pays 72,000/year. This is based on 70 hr/month with a 16 day/month sched. Projected flight hours per month is 85, so if you do the math, there is a potential to have a pretty decent paycheque given today's pay scales in aviation. First officers on the CRJ have the same deal with a base salary of 40,000.


There...no more need for speculation :wink:
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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hey GtaNorth,

what are those raised per diems now? Last time I heard the raise was a whopping 2cents/hr over 4 year, for a grand total of $1,40/hr.
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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I saw a CRJ parked at the north end in YYZ. Must be a Georgian machine. Does anyone know if they are going to operate CRJ100 or CRJ200s?
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And who's Q400's are parked by skyservice and the westjet hangar in yyz.....they are white and seem to have US registrations....as they have been there a while since snowbanks are piled around them.....
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From what I am hearing they will be flying old and clapped out 100's. They will be a maintenance nightmare.
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That tail is one of the old Jazz/AC tails. Used to be 116.
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When did they lower the credits from 100 before overtime?
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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piston12 wrote:Fact: At Air Georgian base salary for the captian postion on the CRJ pays 72,000/year. This is based on 70 hr/month with a 16 day/month sched. Projected flight hours per month is 85, so if you do the math, there is a potential to have a pretty decent paycheque given today's pay scales in aviation. First officers on the CRJ have the same deal with a base salary of 40,000.


There...no more need for speculation :wink:

So are you saying if you don't fly at all you still get $72000/yr?

And if you fly 71 hrs, you get overtime?
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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The rate up to 90 hours/month is 70$ per hour. Time and a half starts at 90 hrs. The minimum monthly guarantee is 70 hours. And yes, salary is based on 70 hrs/month which is the minimum pay cheque...
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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70$ per hour flying a 70 hour guarantee, that's 58 800 per year. Am I missing something?
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70$ per hour? That is about the same hourly rate that is being paid to a Jazz FO that just lost their upgrade opportunity thanks to the GGN CRJ bid at AC. The irony is that almost none of the GGN pilots even meet the experience requirements to occupy the left seat of the CRJ. Hence, almost all OTS hiring.
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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Cisbour wrote:70$ per hour flying a 70 hour guarantee, that's 58 800 per year. Am I missing something?
You are correct.

Capt pay is $70/hr, 70 minimum guarantee. Overtime does not start until 90 hours. They are projecting 85 hours a month, but thats not guaranteed of course. FO pay is $37/hr. 10 GDOs.
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What about the per diem and the schedule?
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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TrailerParkBoy wrote:
piston12 wrote:Fact: At Air Georgian base salary for the captian postion on the CRJ pays 72,000/year. This is based on 70 hr/month with a 16 day/month sched. Projected flight hours per month is 85, so if you do the math, there is a potential to have a pretty decent paycheque given today's pay scales in aviation. First officers on the CRJ have the same deal with a base salary of 40,000.


There...no more need for speculation :wink:

So are you saying if you don't fly at all you still get $72000/yr?

And if you fly 71 hrs, you get overtime?

So this is completely misleading. 70$ at 70 hours is 58.8 k per year. Not the 72k piston is mentionning...
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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Heisenberg666 wrote:
Cisbour wrote:70$ per hour flying a 70 hour guarantee, that's 58 800 per year. Am I missing something?
You are correct.

Capt pay is $70/hr, 70 minimum guarantee. Overtime does not start until 90 hours. They are projecting 85 hours a month, but thats not guaranteed of course. FO pay is $37/hr. 10 GDOs.
OOuch!!! 10 GDO's...one less then few years ago.... :rolleyes:
rudder wrote:70$ per hour? That is about the same hourly rate that is being paid to a Jazz FO that just lost their upgrade opportunity thanks to the GGN CRJ bid at AC. The irony is that almost none of the GGN pilots even meet the experience requirements to occupy the left seat of the CRJ. Hence, almost all OTS hiring.
Yes sir, but try to explain that to starry eyed low time pilots who think they be at AC at no time..,,In essence, it's fair to say that Air Canada has just lowered the bar once again, and we took the bait....
If someone thinks the A320 fleet or future B737 fleet is not far away from the chopping block in few years, then they must be dreaming. And then there will be only long haul fleet left for those shocked starry eyed pilots to dream (because there are just not enough seats there for all of them to work), while the rest of the narrow body fleet will be scattered all over Canada at various low wage/high work load contractor....Bright future ahead! :wink:
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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what will be the basic salary for F/O then?
and the Perdiem?
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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Something that we take for granted I think at Jazz is our minimum daily credit for work. Also the fact that we still get paid for what we were scheduled for even if it gets canceled because guess what? I planned to come into work or worse, I'm stuck in a hotel wanting to work but stranded due to weather or mechanical delays. Will GGN (and Sky Regional) pilots get paid for cancelled flights or do you get docked pay?
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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teacher wrote:Something that we take for granted I think at Jazz is our minimum daily credit for work. Also the fact that we still get paid for what we were scheduled for even if it gets canceled because guess what? I planned to come into work or worse, I'm stuck in a hotel wanting to work but stranded due to weather or mechanical delays. Will GGN (and Sky Regional) pilots get paid for cancelled flights or do you get docked pay?
You bring up a good point. This issue has been raised before, but unfortunately we do not have any such protection. The LOU which allows 705 operations under the current contract is less than 4 pages in length, its a bit of a joke. The per diems are $1.85/hr for those that are wondering.
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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Sky Regional does have what we call block protection now. Still get paid for cancelled legs. Very recent change though. Also got credit or half the duty time pay which is also new. Things are still evolving.
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

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Mig29 wrote: If someone thinks the A320 fleet or future B737 fleet is not far away from the chopping block in few years, then they must be dreaming. And then there will be only long haul fleet left for those shocked starry eyed pilots to dream (because there are just not enough seats there for all of them to work), while the rest of the narrow body fleet will be scattered all over Canada at various low wage/high work load contractor....Bright future ahead! :wink:
Excellent post. Too bad none of this is discussed at flights schools.
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