photofly wrote:This is the first time I've seen it seriously suggested that one should seek out an HSI-equipped and RMI-equipped aircraft to take an instrument flight test just because it's easier to pass the test that way.
I'm honestly surprised: I'd expect the crowd here to be all in favour of training on the most basic instruments available, because it's a better demonstration of "real pilot" skills. Isn't an HSI a bit too "magenta line" for you all?
The place to learn the instrument scan and basic VOR and fixed card ADF skills in in a C 172 during the instrument training phase of your CPL. These skills will get reinforced and further developed when you do the first part of your IFR rating training in the sim. If you are not competent and confident with these skills them you should not be strapping on a twin because you will be wasting your money.
I did My MEIFR in 9 hours of aircraft training time which concluded with a combined initial IFR flight test and an initial PPC with a TC examiner. By the time I got to the airplane I had every basic procedure down cold so I could get the most from the HSI and RMI.
In any case the flight test is not a meaningful indicator of your ability to actually fly A to B IFR on a real IFR day, it is simply a way for you to demonstrate the basic IFR procedures in a familiar environment.
There is incentive if your students start going elsewhere to fly
No sign of that at my flight school. Can't keep the aircraft on the ground, at the moment. Haven't heard anyone bitch about the HSI/RMI lack.
Then I would suggest the students are spending more money than they have to. Now in your case it may still be cheaper if they would have to travel to another school far away or you have a very good instructor, but if that is not the case then the students are wasting some of their money, probably because they are believing the line of BS you are spouting.
photofly wrote:Haven't heard anyone bitch about the HSI/RMI lack.
In the first stages of training, people don't know what they don't know.
The fact that they are not complaining should not lead you to think it means something.
You are more logical then that.
Big Pistons Forever wrote:...but if that is not the case then the students are wasting some of their money, probably because they are believing the line of BS you are spouting.
I haven't told them - or you - what I think, nor would they or you care very much if I did. I am merely surprised at what you think.
trampbike wrote:In the first stages of training, people don't know what they don't know.
The fact that they are not complaining should not lead you to think it means something.
You are more logical then that.
It means that there's no pressure on the guy to upgrade the avionics.
I don't really care if they know what they know, or don't know what they don't know.
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DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
photofly wrote:This is the first time I've seen it seriously suggested that one should seek out an HSI-equipped and RMI-equipped aircraft to take an instrument flight test just because it's easier to pass the test that way.
It's not about the flight test. It's about the fact that HSI and RMI are awesome tools and the guys who do their multi-IFR are very likely doing it to work in aviation afterward, and they'll definetely work with these things.
Even my VFR-only, not-for-flight-training Skymaster has a King KCS-55A. I turn the needle to represent the runway so I don't get confused in the circuit... and I follow the ILS from ten miles out at 80 knots just in case I can't see the PAPIs....
I think it's hilarious that in one thread everyone is hot for picking a school with good instructors who don't yell, and don't milk their students, and in another thread everyone is hot for picking a school at an uncontrolled airport (or maybe controlled, if that's your thing) and in *this* thread people are hot for picking a school with something as dumb and mundane as an RMI.
Who gives a stuff what you learn on, really? Surely what's on the panel in front of you has the least effect of any of these things in terms of what sort of pilot you become?
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DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
Wrote the Inrat yesterday. Had two questions on holding entries. One after the missed approach and inbound to an ndb and one just standard entry. I guess you shouldn't believe everything they say at the Aerocourse because tests can change.
