It's obvious...I know HOW to be an AME...and not have to find something else
Are you saying every AME that has left the industry left because they didn't know how to do the job?
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It's obvious...I know HOW to be an AME...and not have to find something else
I'm not trying to tell you anything...I didn't write those articlesyou feel entitled to try tell me how it is
So the AME's working at Encore aren't competent? You think the folks at Encore decided that they got the best value for their dollar by hiring incompetent mx staff as opposed to paying an extra few dollars an hour for competent staff? An airline can operate with incompetent staff just as well as with guys who know what theyre doing? Is that the case? Or is the case that Encore does not realize that it is hiring guys who dont know what theyre doing? I guess they have a lot to learn about running a business.Stumper wrote:Competent ames however (like competent hockey players) have no need to sell themselves or their trade at bargain basement prices.
I guess I could. Should I apply? Can I use you as a reference? Tell them you recruited me and we will split the $1000 referral bonus. 70/30 of course, since youre clearly way better off financially than I am. I can finally stick it to all the people who told me I wont get anywhere in life with my attitude. They will have to eat their words when they find out I made it to Halkirk, Alberta.Troubleshot wrote:look at this link...do you think you cannot do this job?
...well that changes everything StumpI know who troubleshot is;
Thank you...but aviation is on it's way out remember...we'll all be "beaming" ourselves and our cargo around the planet using wind power before you know it.Competent ames however (like competent hockey players) have no need to sell themselves or their trade at bargain basement prices.
...this is pretty funny thoughhaha you can make the internet say what ever want by the way you arrange your words in Google
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=27334NeverBlue wrote:http://business.financialpost.com/2014/ ... =6b3c-5fb2
I'm not trying to tell you anything...I didn't write those articlesyou feel entitled to try tell me how it is
Ya, geeze, you got be there mr.... but I still think helicopters are cool, and I still like the job, better yet, I found out the pay goes above $24 an hr when you get your license, that's the flight pay on top of the day rate btw. Like I said, bank won't be full, but it sure won't be empty either.azimuthaviation wrote:Fling Wing wrote:And people wonder why the pay in this industry is on a down hill slope...^^^^
I guess cause of guys like this undercutting wages cause they think working on aircraft is cool:
Fling Wing wrote:not all of us do this for the money, there's guys like me who have a sense of adventure, like to travel ect. I'm quite happy getting paid to travel around the world working on helicopters, it sure doesn't pay the best, but for the amount of work that's required, and the experiences I've had, and the schedule I have, I'm pretty happy. I think I'll take the mind full of memories over the bank account full of money when I'm old.
Encore is deliberately testing the lower threshold of what the ame market will bare. The industry is watching; if encore is successful expect downward pressure on wages across the board. We're the ones that need to learn about business..azimuthaviation wrote:So the AME's working at Encore aren't competent? You think the folks at Encore decided that they got the best value for their dollar by hiring incompetent mx staff as opposed to paying an extra few dollars an hour for competent staff? An airline can operate with incompetent staff just as well as with guys who know what theyre doing? Is that the case? Or is the case that Encore does not realize that it is hiring guys who dont know what theyre doing? I guess they have a lot to learn about running a businessStumper wrote:Competent ames however (like competent hockey players) have no need to sell themselves or their trade at bargain basement prices.
First of all...I'm not "pro Encore"...I'm pro choice, for lack of a better term.That's why it's so asinine to defend either encore or the sellouts they currently employ.
Who says anyone has to do that? Why would anyone do that?...for You??? HA!I wonder what would happen if one of the pro encore internet supporters got up on a soapbox, in person, in either a AME watering hole, lunch room, or better yet an employee parking lot, and chanted the same stupidity I read on here defending encore.
You are the one living in a dream Richard. You've been caught up in that kind of culture for so long you believe it's that way everywhere. You are so misguided it's funny. THAT DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE! Where has it got YOU??in either a AME watering hole, lunch room, or better yet an employee parking lot,
No it wouldn't rule. It doesn't work that way anymore. It would only get somebody arrested and thrown in jail.Majority would rule, with a reasonable chance of chiclets.
sure they are...they have all the time and money in the world to waste figuring that out eh?...cause it's AMEs that really rule the industry right?Encore is deliberately testing the lower threshold of what the ame market will bare.
crazy_aviator wrote:Encore is a turbo-prop start-up, competing with jazz and others, wisdom would say that they start lean, mean and efficient so that they can gain a foothold against jazz/ air canada and grow BEFORE the legacy costs hit them (like mainline westjet) if i were in mgmt, i would do the same and btw, mainline looks like they are taking care of their own
but I think I can speak for most when we say we are "pro-industry"
Are you serious?!?! You think going up to someone and saying they have a good job is fighting words, that most dare only say online? And you are talking about AME's in full possession of their faculties?? I swear Im arguing with a bunch of crazy people...Pat Richard wrote:No AME of worth, who is in full possession of their faculties, would try to lipstick up this pig of a situation that is encore to a group of AME's in person. But, on the internet, rambling, off topic drifting replies apparently, in some peoples minds, make for solid rebuttals.
I wonder what would happen if one of the pro encore internet supporters got up on a soapbox, in person, in either a AME watering hole, lunch room, or better yet an employee parking lot, and chanted the same stupidity I read on here defending encore.
You cant take back what you already said. Somehow its fine and dandy for you to take a job that pays less because you enjoy it, thereby undercutting the rest of us in this industry but you judge the guys at Encore because why? You didnt drop the bar as low as they did? Did it ever occur to you that they may enjoy working on Q400's as much as you like working on helis? Or do you even care? As long as youre happy settling you dont mind every other AME having to settle for less as you chase your ridiculous helicopter fixing dreams? Either way, I dont think youre in much position to comment.Fling Wing wrote: Like I said, bank won't be full, but it sure won't be empty either.
No I dont think so. You know the names of the other Dash-8 operators in YYC so I wont name them. Do you think they will attract anyone with 24 dollars an hour? They are having trouble retaining guys at 34 dollars an hour. Stressing and sweating for 12 hours straight trying to rectify a snag list half a mile long and get 20 planes, the "new" ones nearly clapped out, the old ones thirty years old or more, fixed and ready to fly by morning. Hey, theyre all hiring, the moneys there if you want it. If the guys at Encore dont like their wages, they only have to walk down the street. Since Encore has been around theyve hiked up their wage scale because they lost so many guys, kinda the opposite of what you guys are saying.Troubleshot wrote: haven't made $24/HR in 14 years...and people are telling me here on this thread that there are guys at Encore that have 10+years experience...to Stumpers point many other companies see this standard and question their own wage ..how low can we go.. (B scales, mass lay-offs re-hire at lower wages, etc...)
Right, how many commuter and charter airlines are going to do that? I dont think the local operators are going to overnight their commuters to Senegal for line maintenance. They will have to maintain their aircraft at their bases whether they like it or not (they probably dont) and if they dont want to hire maintenance staff, they wont be in business. Simple as that.Troubleshot wrote:.we have all seen the bigger players start to send their maintenance to foreign AMO's