Gear collapse Springbank

[Lurch]

Occurrence Summary
Date Entered:2014-05-01
Narrative:
A Calgary Flying Club Piper PA-23-250 (C-GOSO) on a local flight from Calgary/ Springbank, AB (CYBW) was given a landing clearance for runway 35. C-GOSO touched the runway at 1551Z with the gear up and pulled up and went around. C-GOSO and 2 other aircraft went into holds. Runway inspection revealed that the props had struck the ground and paint from the aircraft was found on the runway surface. Emergency vehicles on standby. C-GOSO landed at 1633Z and gear collapsed. Trucks took chase when C-GOSO landed. Runway 17/35 was closed. 3 inbounds had to orbit for approximately 20 minutes.
O.P.I.: Further Action Required:No

Since no one has ever said this before:

PUT THE GEAR DOWN

It's quite simple in the Aztec, it's the lever that looks like a wheel.

And just in case that's too difficult there are 3 lights that also helps you know the gear is down, as well as a horn activated by the throttles and if memory serves me correctly I think the flap selector as well.

[Cessna driver]

It was a gear problem, the nose partially came down, mains didnt come down at all, they tried everything to get the gear to drop.

[MUSKEG]

Without jumping to conclusions did the aircraft experience the gear problem initially or after the ground strike. If it was before then my question is, why are they taking it back inti the air after the strike. I'm thinking gear damaged during the strike and then it couldn't be extended.

[iflyforpie]

So the title says gear collapse, the CADORS says gear collapse, the witnesses and those connected say it was a gear collapse.... what does that have to do with remembering to lower the gear?

Generally a whoopsie with the gear isn't followed by a gear collapse when they get it down. The only thing I could possibly see is that they did not confirm 3 green when they tried to land the first time.

I'm thinking gear damaged during the strike and then it couldn't be extended.

I wouldn't think an Aztec would be capable of taking off again if that was the case.

[Redneck_pilot86]

It was a gear problem, the nose partially came down, mains didnt come down at all, they tried everything to get the gear to drop.

Really? The CADORS really makes it sound like the gear problem was the pilot forgetting it the first time, and doing enough damage that when he/she put it down for the second try at a landing, it failed.


I see Muskeg beat me to it, but along the same lines.

[Redneck_pilot86]

So the title says gear collapse, the CADORS says gear collapse, the witnesses and those connected say it was a gear collapse.... what does that have to do with remembering to lower the gear?

The gear collapse was on the second landing, after they did a smash and go on the belly.

[Shiny Side Up]

That's the second time that thing has been landed with the gear up. It did so once back in the days when it was with CFTC. I sort of got the idea the instructor went with the plane, wonder if it was the same guy.

[Chuck Finley]

Who in its right mind, instructor or owner pilot, would take an airplane BACK INTO THE AIR after landing it on its belly and having a prop strike that may have caused structural damage. What if the aircraft would have split in half in the air?

[Condorito]

The CCAR shows they registered this aircraft April 17, 2014. They've had it for just 2 weeks. Sucks.

[oldtimer]

WOW. Those jackasses had 42 minutes to try to kill themselves. Landing an airplane without the gear is an OOPS. Everyone makes mistakes and that can be forgiven but taking the airplane into the air with known damage to the main source of propulsion is just plain dumb. What would happen if the damaged propellers were to seperate. What if the overstressed crankshafts were to break. Nobody dies from a gear up landing but what if a propeller were to . a blade and the stresses causes a motor mount to break. Can a pilot retain control if an engine should completly fall off.
On a side note, even our great saviours, TC, did the same thing with a King Air right in front of our Great White Fathers in the nations capitol. Flew a King Air damaged in a ching'n'go right over the parliament buildings (or reasonable close to them).

[Condorito]

Well this sounds different from the CADOR...

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/landing-gear- ... s-7.511051

[Lurch]

WOW. Those jackasses had 42 minutes to try to kill themselves. Landing an airplane without the gear is an OOPS. Everyone makes mistakes and that can be forgiven but taking the airplane into the air with known damage to the main source of propulsion is just plain dumb.

Well found out a good reason to taking off again.

They are going around telling everyone, staff, students, and members, that it was a gear collapse and leaving out the first part where she forgot to put the the gear down, causing the damage that caused the gear to collapse.

Pretty smart, now the insurance company will cover it, the owners won't be mad, you can claim it was mechanical on future "have you ever had an accident" questions, and you don't look like an idiot in front of everyone who is supposed to think you are such a great pilot.

Now if there was just a way for the truth to come out.

[shamrock104]

Was this the CFI. please PM me.

[Tips Up]

Wasn't there an Ice Pilots episode with the CL215 that landed gear up in Turkey, took off and went around to land gear down the second time? Not saying they were right but the whole world saw that one. And I remember the poor camera guy at the end of the runway. He must have been thinking he'd rather be somewhere else at that moment!

[MUSKEG]

Landing a 215 G/U and an Aztec G/U and then taking them back into the air not in the same ballpark.

[trey kule]

Lurch, i hope you are wrong.

It is one thing to forget to put the gear down. It is a completely different one to try to excuse your way out of it.

If the pilot really did just forget the gear, and then is trying sell it as a mechanical, that is truly scary, and a heads up to management to get rid of them before their next accident.

That type of excuse making is the prelude to their next accident as they have learned nothing.

Again , I hope you are wrong, but if not ,the instructor needs to be let go...if they have any smarts at all it will make them recognize that change will not come about without taking responsability.

[Shiny Side Up]

TK, its not the first time, and probably won't be the last time someone has doctored their story about being stupid to get the insurance to pay out.

[trey kule]

Are you sure? I can't ever recall a pilot doctoring anything!

The insurance was not my real concern. It is a pilot's abdication of responsibility. Or as seems to be the new speak, failing to take ownership of their errors.

Pretty soon they start believing it themselves, and the attitude that allowed such a stupid thing to occur will reoccur.

But maybe I am all wrong about this. If they even feel a little bad that is probably enough, after all, it was pretty much a mechanical issue.

[iflyforpie]

I remember a Cardinal came in here and had the nose gear collapse. The pilot said that he didn't have positive indication of gear down... but figured it was a light or switch so came into land anyways.... then he trailed off.... 'do you think insurance will pay for this?'

[Shiny Side Up]

It is a pilot's abdication of responsibility. Or as seems to be the new speak, failing to take ownership of their errors.

Pretty soon they start believing it themselves, and the attitude that allowed such a stupid thing to occur will reoccur.

Exactly. I believe that the only accurate predictor of whether a pilot is likely to have an accident is whether they've had previous mishaps. If one speaks with these people its easy to see how. Just like you've said, they have the ability to convince themselves that they weren't at fault, they weren't responsible. Worse, there's always someone else, something else to blame.

If my information is correct about this incident, it isn't the first time its happened to this pilot. Wait, correct that, its not the first time this pilot has done this.

[PilotDAR]

their story about being stupid to get the insurance to pay out.

I believe that it is the purpose of insurance, to also pay for stupid.....

[Shiny Side Up]

I believe that it is the purpose of insurance, to also pay for stupid.....

That largely depends on who was the one being stupid, if you catch my drift. I've seen in plenty of stupid pilot tricks that involve bending metal where suddenly who was flying the thing suddenly became of great confusion. Even when there was one person on board at the time of the "incident".

I'll repeat, if you catch my drift.

[trey kule]

believe that it is the purpose of insurance, to also pay for stupid

I certainly hope so, or my premiums are going to waste!

In any event, as this happened at an FTU, I would imagine the management there is considering their student population reaction to flying with this instructor and making what they believe are the best decisions how to deal with it.

[YBW-Kid]

A picture is worth many words.

[PilotDAR]

A picture is worth many words

Indeed! I expect that some of those words are spelled with "#" and "*" ....