Annual inspection taking a really long time - options?

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azimuthaviation wrote: The original poster said that was a long term problem that has carried along through subsequent owners. Troubleshooting is a very weak skill Ive noticed in the field. Even Colonel Sanders shouldnt throw stones, some of his answers to snags people pose on here seem to come out of left field. I wouldnt want to pay him $100 an hour to troubleshoot a system.
Troubleshooting is a methodology, not a body of technical knowledge. Software engineers know that, even if some AMEs don't.
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photofly wrote:Troubleshooting is a methodology, not a body of technical knowledge.
Then youre doing it wrong.
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azimuthaviation wrote:
photofly wrote:Troubleshooting is a methodology, not a body of technical knowledge.
Then youre doing it wrong.
One of us is, for sure.
Wikipedia wrote: Troubleshooting is a form of problem solving, often applied to repair failed products or processes. It is a logical, systematic search for the source of a problem so that it can be solved, and so the product or process can be made operational again. Troubleshooting is needed to develop and maintain complex systems where the symptoms of a problem can have many possible causes.
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And try doing that with weak technical knowledge. Someone presents with you with a problem more complex than a charging problem on a 50 year old Maule. A system you are unfamiliar with, never seen before. You pull out the schematics, you have to figure out how everything works, what each line is going to, why each component is there and what happens if that fails. You cant teach someone to be a troubleshooter without teaching the technical knowledge. Thats why it takes however many years to find a bad connector.
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azimuthaviation wrote:And try doing that with weak technical knowledge.
Typical straw-man argument. Nobody's suggesting you don't need technical knowledge. But the technical knowledge - which hopefully all AMEs possess - is worse than useless without the right methodology.

As evidenced by an inability to diagnose a bad connection before changing $$$$ of working parts.

Troubleshooting is a methodology, not a body of technical knowledge.
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photofly wrote:Typical straw-man argument. Nobody's suggesting you don't need technical knowledge.
And seven minutes earlier:
photofly wrote:Troubleshooting is a methodology, not a body of technical knowledge
I dont know what point youre trying to make. You just want to argue for no reason. Fine. You win. I dont know what Im doing. I guess my employer keeps me around because he likes my personality, not because I know how to fix planes.
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azimuthaviation wrote: I dont know what point youre trying to make.
The point I'm trying to make is that you need technical knowledge and good troubleshooting skills.
azimuthaviation wrote: Troubleshooting is a very weak skill Ive noticed in the field. Even Colonel Sanders shouldnt throw stones, some of his answers to snags people pose on here seem to come out of left field.
Two unrelated things.

I neither know nor care whether you know what you're doing or why your employer keeps you around. That's between you and him.
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photofly wrote:The point I'm trying to make is that you need technical knowledge and good troubleshooting skills.
Ya think? :roll:
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Mind you anyone can learn the rules of chess in a few minutes, but its the method one applies when playing that makes him a great player. If that analogizes what youre trying to say.
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a problem more complex than a charging problem on a 50 year old Maule
Guess who's software runs this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_Routing_System

Ya think it might be a bit more complex than a C337
charging system?

Back on topic, there's a reason Mike Busch earns a
very good living, REMOTELY diagnosing problems
far better than the LOCAL mechanic ever can. You
think Mike would have recommended shotgunning
the replacement of every part in the C337 charging
system?

http://www.savvyaviator.com/index.php/about-savvy/bio
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Colonel Sanders wrote:Guess who's software runs this?
I dont know, you tell me whose* software is running that.
Colonel Sanders wrote:there's a reason Mike Busch earns a
very good living, REMOTELY diagnosing problems
far better than the LOCAL mechanic ever can.
Why do you suppose the guy with multiple Ivy League degrees and 50 years in aviation is able to troubleshoot light aircraft better than the two year trade school graduate with 5 years in the field?
Colonel Sanders wrote:You
think Mike would have recommended shotgunning
the replacement of every part in the C337 charging
system?
I should hope not. Thats not an approach I take or advocate either. I was laughing at that 337 post because they undertook the exact approach I had described in an earlier post. Indiscriminate parts changing and ringing out the system hoping to find something wrong. Doesnt seem like a very daunting task at first. What is there, a dozen or so possible components to the system and how they interface? Well in SoDuKo the correct application is one of ten possible variables, and you can usually eliminate immediately four or five. You have better odds of successfully shotgunning a game of SoDuKo than you have of rectifying an electrical snag the way most people do it.
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