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Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Sun May 11, 2014 1:36 pm

Here is Bert McConnell and Bellanca CF-BTW at Sioux Lookout June 1970.

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Sun May 11, 2014 1:50 pm

Harry Swanson and Ronnie Morrison with Bellanca BTW at Pickle Lake August 1970

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Sun May 11, 2014 5:02 pm

I remember Ronnie once telling me "They sent me to Pickle Lake for two weeks, twenty years ago and I'm still here".

TeePeeCreeper · Post by **TeePeeCreeper** » Mon May 12, 2014 12:29 am

Gosh, how do two simple pictures of a bygone era interest me so...

I'd give my left nut to fly that Bellanca!!!

Any of you guys able to give us an idea of what she was like to fly daily?

All the best,
TPC

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Mon May 12, 2014 1:13 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote:Gosh, how do two simple pictures of a bygone era interest me so...

I'd give my left nut to fly that Bellanca!!!

Any of you guys able to give us an idea of what she was like to fly daily?

All the best,
TPC

Most up and coming young dock hands went for rides in BTW at one time or another back in the mid 1960's to early 1970's. I went on several trips but naturally did not get to fly her. It had a throw over type yoke and the throttle quadrant was on the left side of the cockpit. You could not easily reach the throttle quadrant when sitting in the right seat. It got off at about 85 mph and cruised at 120-125 mph. I never saw the pilot lift a float out on take off. You didn't have to. I was told that if you did try to lift a float that the aileron drag would make it difficult to keep it going straight. The ailerons ran almost the length of the wings. It did have flaps but they were not certified in Canada and were locked up and covered over. There was an 8'6'' hatch in the top of the cabin roof for loading bulky items. This hatch had also been covered over at some time in the past.

There are still a few of the guys around who flew BTW when I was at HAS but they are dwindling fast.

AP

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Mon May 12, 2014 6:22 pm

Here is BTW at Pickle Lake on a mild winter day early in 1971.

L-R Ronnie Morrison, Herb Stoger, Dave Fiorito, Al Ogilvie

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Mon May 12, 2014 6:26 pm

Here is BTW with Canadian Pacific Airlines at Yellowknife c 1945. Pilot Ernie Boffa.

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Mon May 12, 2014 8:36 pm

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Here are some photos of a Bellanca Skyrocket CF-EQR that was owned by Associated Airways. The pilot Max Ward pranged after flying into a whiteout somewhere north of Yellowknife. The film was processed in August of 1953. Photos taken by Jim McAvoy.

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Wed May 14, 2014 12:12 am

One more of BTW in Transair colors at Pickle Lake c1965. Charlie Davidson's house and store can be seen under the left wing.

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Wed May 14, 2014 12:17 am

. McAvoy's Fairchild 82 CF-MAK at Yelowknife c1960. This aircraft disappeared on a flight west of the Bathurst Inlet area in June of 1964. It was found about 10 years ago.

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Wed May 14, 2014 1:57 am

As mentioned above. This is the cockpit of BTW with the throttle quadrant visible on the left side.

'97 Tercel · Post by **'97 Tercel** » Thu May 15, 2014 9:11 pm

Wow, those are some great pics!

...That 40's (Boffa) pic is nice to see in colour.

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Thu May 15, 2014 10:45 pm

'97 Tercel wrote:Wow, those are some great pics!

...That 40's (Boffa) pic is nice to see in colour.

Thanks. I have just been taking pics of my pics and downloading to the forum. My originals are much sharper.

Also thanks NWONT for the cockpit pic of BTW. I don't have any good cockpit pics.

AP

Keenflyer · Post by **Keenflyer** » Sat May 17, 2014 2:57 am

Gauges all over the place like a cranky woman's excreta.

TeePeeCreeper · Post by **TeePeeCreeper** » Sat May 17, 2014 7:42 pm

AP and NWTONT,

Thank your for the write up and pictures!
Sounds like she was an interesting bird to fly on a daily basis!
What was the approx empty weight and how much of a load could one haul with her?

All the best,
TPC

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Sat May 17, 2014 9:37 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote:AP and NWTONT,

Thank your for the write up and pictures!
Sounds like she was an interesting bird to fly on a daily basis!
What was the approx empty weight and how much of a load could one haul with her?

All the best,
TPC

I couldn't remember the numbers so I referred to the CAHS Journal Vol 9, # 1, spring 1971 edition.

Gross wt 11,700 on skis or floats.
Empty wt on skis 6821
Empty wt on floats 7176

Floats were EDO 12,700 made by MacDonald Bros in Winnipeg

A typical load on floats in it's heyday on a short trip would have been around 3500 lbs. However in it's last few years of service they were trying to baby the engine and the max load we hauled was 2500 lbs.

Of course there were the usual tall tales of some super pilot hauling 6000 lbs.

AP

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:27 pm

Here is pilot Noel Love with Bellanca BTW at Big Trout Lake late 1960's.

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:38 pm

Here is the entire world's fleet of Bellanca Aircruisers parked at the same dock. Shown are CF-BKV, CF-AWR, CF-BTW. Also shown is Bellanca CH-300 Pacemaker CF-AMO. I can't identify the aircraft facing the camera, possibly a Fairchild of some sort. Photo taken by Ronnie Morrison July 1943 at Lac Dubonnet MB.

beech 18 · Post by **beech 18** » Mon May 19, 2014 5:32 pm

May 19, 2014

Antique Pilot - This is the first photo I have seen of
three Bellanca's together at the same dock.
That is one nice picture.

TeePeeCreeper · Post by **TeePeeCreeper** » Tue May 20, 2014 5:05 am

beech 18 wrote:May 19, 2014

Antique Pilot - This is the first photo I have seen of
three Bellanca's together at the same dock.
That is one nice picture.

My how I concur!

AP, any chance you have the negatives or something I might be able to get a proper print off that picture?

If it wasn't obvious to all now... May the world know that I have a "lust" for the Bellanca seaplanes that I was unfortunately born in the wrong "age" to have partaken in!!!

All the best,
TPC

squawk · Post by **squawk** » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:42 pm

Those are great pics Antique! They say Harry Swanson could rip a beer cap in half with his bare hands. Maybe Liquid Charlie could attest to that truth.
Cheers

Liquid Charlie · Post by **Liquid Charlie** » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:29 pm

That is fact and the only person I knew that could settle Harry down when he got a little frisky was Burt Mc --

Antique Pilot · Post by **Antique Pilot** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:55 am

squawk wrote:Those are great pics Antique! They say Harry Swanson could rip a beer cap in half with his bare hands. Maybe Liquid Charlie could attest to that truth.
Cheers

Harry had arms like Popeye. He could also snatch a fly out of the air as it flew past.

AP

squawk · Post by **squawk** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:43 pm

Lol. Cathy told me after he retired he'd go and dig up boulders in the backyard out of boredom.

roscoe · Post by **roscoe** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:35 am

A couple more "Big Bellanca" photos. On the ice after a sucessful forced landing. Photo by W. Katchur, pilot.
The engine change under way, New Years Holiday trip 1962. Engineer George Fournier, helpers Leo Fournier, Ross Taylor, Bill Lewco.

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