Flying after RW PPL

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Flying after RW PPL

#1 Post by JBI » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:08 pm

So, after only flying fixed wing in my life, I've now been fortunate enough to fly (as a passenger) two helicopter flights in the last 8 days. It was a hoot!

I have no intention of flying Rotary wing commercially - don't even fly fixed wing commercially anymore, but having helicopter training and a licence would be very helpful for my current job (whether it is $20,000 helpful remains to be seen).

Are there any schools that let you rent their machines once you have your licence? Or, are your only options to either always fly with an instructor or find a private machine to fly?

(And don't worry, I am a chicken when it comes to flying and completely realise that with only the 30 hours needed for the conversion, there are many many types of flights that would still be way beyond that experience level). Just trying to find out information.
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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#2 Post by North Shore » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:31 pm

I was wondering if something was up after that fb post!
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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#3 Post by JBI » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:21 pm

North Shore wrote:I was wondering if something was up after that fb post!
It was a blast - though no actual stick time. I'm sure all helicopter flights are as glamourous as a flight over the Vegas strip and then over the North Shore Mountains on a beautiful spring day. Right? :)

In all seriousness, I've been doing a lot of helicopter related work, so learning how to fly them would be very helpful. I think the challenge would be pretty enjoyable, just not sure if it's in the budget at the moment.
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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#4 Post by ragbagflyer » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:41 pm

At least if you do get the commercial license you can claim it as a tax deduction, and if you're making good money that could be a $12000 refund. Your $30000 license now costs you the same as an $18000 vacation. Unfortunately if you have a wife she will probably find it less satisfying than you.
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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#5 Post by North Shore » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:43 pm

JBI wrote:
North Shore wrote:I was wondering if something was up after that fb post!
It was a blast - though no actual stick time. I'm sure all helicopter flights are as glamourous as a flight over the Vegas strip and then over the North Shore Mountains on a beautiful spring day. Right? :)

In all seriousness, I've been doing a lot of helicopter related work, so learning how to fly them would be very helpful. I think the challenge would be pretty enjoyable, just not sure if it's in the budget at the moment.

You do realise that the whole thing is kept in the air by one (not so) big bolt at the top of the mast, right? :shock: Scared the crap out of me when I crawled up there to help an AME friend while he was doing a blade change...
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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#6 Post by Outlaw58 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:51 pm

North Shore wrote:
JBI wrote:
North Shore wrote:I was wondering if something was up after that fb post!
It was a blast - though no actual stick time. I'm sure all helicopter flights are as glamourous as a flight over the Vegas strip and then over the North Shore Mountains on a beautiful spring day. Right? :)

In all seriousness, I've been doing a lot of helicopter related work, so learning how to fly them would be very helpful. I think the challenge would be pretty enjoyable, just not sure if it's in the budget at the moment.

You do realise that the whole thing is kept in the air by one (not so) big bolt at the top of the mast, right? :shock: Scared the crap out of me when I crawled up there to help an AME friend while he was doing a blade change...
Yeah I know! Those let go all the time!! That's got to be the #1 danger of flying helos. Yup dat jeezus nut is bad juju.

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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#7 Post by C-GKNT » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:34 am

JBI,

I did my fixed wing to helicopter conversion last summer :D Although a private license would have been enough for me, I decided to get the commercial license as their really isn't much difference between the respective flight tests. Most fun I have ever had...fully dressed anyway.

Interesting thing for me (from a fixed wing perceptive) was that the instructors charge dual AND solo. That's right, when solo you still pay $250/hour for the instructor. It seems to be built into their business model. Practically speaking, a solo rate doesn't appear to exist.

Sorry to ask the obvious but did you call and ask any of the schools? I would be curious to know myself.

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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#8 Post by JBI » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:19 pm

C-GKNT - Glenn thanks for the info. I haven't called any schools yet, just still looking for general info. Plus I was hoping if there was the odd school that did rent out, AvCanada posters may be able to add specifics. I'll let you know if/when I start calling school.

ragbagflyer - Thanks for the tax info! Had forgot about education credits - that makes the decision a little harder. My wife, somewhat surprisingly, is very much in favour of me taking some helicopter lessons!

North Shore - I always thought that the rotor was for show and helicopters were merely repelled by the earth because of how some of them look. Sounds like I'll have to study some more aerodynamics theory.

Anyways, it's all very tentative at the moment.

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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#9 Post by Nark » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:57 pm

I'm being overwhelmed by theory. I'll see what I can dig up for you.

The 206 at least, has 5 gezuz nuts. One on the rotor and 4 holding the tailboom on.
The 206 is full of after engineering ideas. Hmmm maybe we should add this to prevent this...
And spike knock, WTF? is it bad or is it a byproduct of flight? Make up your damned mind.

Rotary wing flying is fun. I enjoy the challenge of looking ahead and and trying to hover over a specific spot. Sometime successful, others... Auto's are kicking my ass right now, since pushing forward while hurtling towards the ground is very, very foreign to me.
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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#10 Post by snoopy » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:45 am

LOL... autos are the best part!!!! 'Specially the full-on ones! :)
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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#11 Post by JBI » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:08 pm

Snoopy, this is partially your fault! After volunteering at the Girls Fly Too event and seeing the smiles on people's faces when they got back from the helicopter flights, my wife and I decided to do a helicopter tour in Vegas - I had a huge grin after it was done!
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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#12 Post by Nark » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:12 pm

Sorry to hijack your thread JBI...

I think I've found the elusive "autorotate button." I did a few auto 's from hover, and Sim Engine Failure at a hover; the attitude, and collective required seemed to click.

JBI, go out to ZBB and to a fan flight. Highly worth it!
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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#13 Post by fijdor » Sun May 04, 2014 4:21 pm

Nark wrote:I'm being overwhelmed by theory. I'll see what I can dig up for you.

The 206 at least, has 5 gezuz nuts. One on the rotor and 4 holding the tailboom on.
The 206 is full of after engineering ideas. Hmmm maybe we should add this to prevent this...
And spike knock, WTF? is it bad or is it a byproduct of flight? Make up your damned mind.

Rotary wing flying is fun. I enjoy the challenge of looking ahead and and trying to hover over a specific spot. Sometime successful, others... Auto's are kicking my ass right now, since pushing forward while hurtling towards the ground is very, very foreign to me.

Never heard the term "spike knock" do you mind explaining it, just curious.

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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#14 Post by Nark » Sat May 10, 2014 5:02 pm

fijdor wrote:
Nark wrote:I'm being overwhelmed by theory. I'll see what I can dig up for you.

The 206 at least, has 5 gezuz nuts. One on the rotor and 4 holding the tailboom on.
The 206 is full of after engineering ideas. Hmmm maybe we should add this to prevent this...
And spike knock, WTF? is it bad or is it a byproduct of flight? Make up your damned mind.

Rotary wing flying is fun. I enjoy the challenge of looking ahead and and trying to hover over a specific spot. Sometime successful, others... Auto's are kicking my ass right now, since pushing forward while hurtling towards the ground is very, very foreign to me.

Never heard the term "spike knock" do you mind explaining it, just curious.

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Sure; it happens when the round pin of the drag pin fitting contacts the side of the square hole on the pylon stop, which is mounted to the roof. This causes a loud noise, and occurs during a rocking of the pylon."

In other words, there is a small pylon on the underside of the transmission that "floats" in a square hole cut into the roof. This allows the transmission to rock back and forth, for and aft, but has a mechanical stop. Hence the "square hole."
The book says it's not a hazardous occurrence, but may lead to one.
Happens more often during low G's (+.5), low ground run autos, extreme asymetric loading and low rotor RPM.


I'll try to find a picture, or I'll take one next time I'm at the flight line.
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#15 Post by fijdor » Sun May 11, 2014 6:06 pm

Ok got it now, thanks

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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#16 Post by Planetman » Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:50 pm

If you're looking for a helicopter to rent as a PPL or to do your licence in, then you may be in luck.
I have an Enstrom 280F that is looking for renters or even co-ownership.
The machine is located at ZBB.
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#17 Post by Sisco » Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:14 am

Ok, I had to login. Where at ZBB could I do a fam flight? I can't find anything about helicopter training for ZBB. I have my fixed wing PPL but I'm thinking about Helicopters. I thought my only option for a fam flight was Abbotsford or Langley.
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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#18 Post by Nark » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:13 pm

JBI,

Any updates to your venture?

I'd take my ride up to Van and let you have a few patterns, but I might get in a little bit of trouble.
Probably to the point of me never coming back down south...
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Re: Flying after RW PPL

#19 Post by JBI » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:40 pm

Didn't realize that this thread had continued.

As fun as the fling wing flying was, I've only been focusing on the fixed wing flying. Just made a lot more sense for a number of different reasons - though I'll probably still take a lesson or two at some point in my life (when time and finances permit...)
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