Mr. Martin wants my money, I don't want to give it to him!

Hickory Stick · Post by **Hickory Stick** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:21 am

Moving to Hong Kong for a flying job. Bond is for 3 years. Anyone know how to avoid paying taxes in both places (HK, and Canada). I know if I declare non-residancy in Canada then I don't have to pay taxes here.

Anyone have any experience doing this? Any info would be appreciated.

Cheers

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:27 am

I know of a few buddies in the ME, and they were still required to pay taxes. Fortunately for them they have a European Citizenship, they have an address there as well as the one in the middle east and that helped them avoid paying taxes. However they are not getting a pension in Canada because of that. There are a few asian carriers such as Korean Airlines that will give you a chance whether you want to pay your taxes to the government of the country you are working in or Canadian, in that case choose the asian because its only 15% compared to the ridiculous 45% that canada is gonna take from you. Other than that you should really contact the asian carrier you are going to be working for they will know. Im not sure but I think you require to be a citizen in the country you are working in to declare non-residency, unless you have dual citizenship in another country. And Citizenship in HGK is given to you after you've lived there for 7+ years. Good luck!

Post by **avcanada** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:08 am

You might find this link useful

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/nonresiden ... res-e.html

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:50 am

The part I and many others can't belive is that you have to pay taxes to Canada as if you were living and working here if you have "significant ties", even if you spend of 365 days of the year abroad.
A**holes

As an example: I can take my children abroad for the duration of the year but if my spouse wanted to stay here and go to school I would be subject to paying full taxes.

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:57 am

Glad to see others discovering what a BS country this is

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:38 am

Anyone know where to open a good offshore bankaccount?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:54 am

For Canadians the safest from the Ottawa thieves is Belize.

You can set up an account in a company name such as Tax avoidance inc.

There is a magenment fee for keeping it active, the nice part is your money is yours and you use a debit card to spend it.

If Paul and the boys had to depend on me for my tax contribution they wouldn't be able to afford to buy a coffee.

Cat

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:16 am

Ive been to Belize City, I believe Tropic Air operates out of there. Lopts of drugs moving through there and there isa guy there that always tries to sell you something, if you are not going to buy from him you need to call him a racist before he calls you a racist so he'll shut up

But nice place to get away.

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:22 am

I guess the key is to find out which countries have personal finance disclosure argreement/policy with canada. if you work in a country that has a tax agreement in place with Canada, such as Hong Kong, wouldn't the Canadian government be able to find out how much you made in a given year through the HK government?

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:42 am

Sasktel · Post by **Sasktel** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:08 pm

bizjet_mania wrote:Glad to see others discovering what a BS country this is

Hey kid, if you feel that this country is BS then PLEASE go live somewhere else. I like Canada, the world likes Canada, the UN constantly gives Canada top marks. Pack your bags, say goodbye to mommy and daddy and travel a little.

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:29 pm

Keep voting Liberal, mouthbreather.

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:31 pm

Sasktel wrote:
bizjet_mania wrote:Glad to see others discovering what a BS country this is
Hey kid, if you feel that this country is BS then PLEASE go live somewhere else. I like Canada, the world likes Canada, the UN constantly gives Canada top marks. Pack your bags, say goodbye to mommy and daddy and travel a little.

LOL looks like you need to travel alittle then you'll see just how shitty it is, I hear enough about how great Canada is from people who have never left the country. Ive been to enough places in the world to make up my mind. If u like paying taxes, then I can't argue. I don't care what the UN grades Canada as thats not why people stay here. Like many others waiting for my ticket out and Im gone. I won't miss hockey or Tim Hortons which is all there is here anyways.

kilpicki · Post by **kilpicki** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:37 pm

I'm not 100% sure but I heard that Switzerland and the Channel Islands do not have to let CCRA have a look at your account unless you are a big drug dealer. So if you bank 100,000 or so a year you're small peanuts.

I do know for sure that as of recently only Swiss residents and those living on the border working in country can open new bank accts in Switzerland.

Some guys book their trip home through Zurich and put 10,000 in their pockets and go home. You don't have to declare it.

Jersey works ok as the banks have branches close to Heathrow and you go there and get the cash.

Didn't like paying Jean and Paul even more.

low n over · Post by **low n over** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:18 pm

I thought a duration of three years plus usualy had you clear of the tax man back here. Isn't that why Cathay SO's do so well, putting away a bunch as compared to there more senior guys based in Canada who take the huge tax ding for being on home turf.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:47 pm

Sasktel:

You are really ignorant of the subject you just posted on.

Canada has one of the highest tax rates on earth, collected by a Government that is corrupt to its very core.

So you take your ignorant comments about telling those of us who understand just how corrupt Canada is to go somewhere else and shove it. By the way I do work outside of your bananna republic just to keep some of my hard earned money.

Maybe you should go to Zimbawbe and live under Mugawbe who Jean Cretien was supporting as a fair and honest official during the last elections in Zim.

Paint Jean black and he would be a perfect clone of Mugawbe.

Cat

Sasktel · Post by **Sasktel** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:40 am

Wathever

Sasktel · Post by **Sasktel** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:46 am

Sasktel wrote:
Cat Driver wrote:Sasktel:

You are really ignorant of the subject you just posted on......

Cat

Whatever.

CID · Post by **CID** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:30 am

I agree with Sasktel. One of the reasons that Canadians enjoy such a high standard of living compared to many other countries ("Zimbawbe" included) is because of system of government and our tax structure.

Of course its not perfect, but we certainly aren't helped by supporting those who are bent on evading the tax or those who are haunted by "corruption" myths that they constantly refer to, in order to hide their own inadequacies or failure to effectively work within the system.

Hickory Stick, Cat, don't let the screen door hit you on the ass on your way out.

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:59 am

Taxes were made to pay off the war, the war has ended 60 years ago, to date we are the second highest taxed country in the world. And the reason why people complain is we don't see the money going anywhere. Everything has become privatized. Healthcare, Transportation, Hydro, Garbage collecting, Even our Paramedics and Librarians. Every week I hear someone is going on strike. We have crappy roads, no military, I was watching the Ralph Klein conference, Alberta alone spends $9.1 Billion on healthcare a year. If you do that math, theres alot of people abusing the system. The amount of taxes people pay, we should be way better off than we are now. You will see, Canada in the future will become like a Zimbawe. Toronto itself is headed into bankruptcy like Buffalo in the states has. Everyone is moving to the suburbs, but working in Toronto and not paying taxes to Toronto. The province is always having to bail them out, its a mess. Im tired of people not knowing anything about the issues our country is facing and yet telling me Canada is #1. Im sorry, Canada was #1, unfortunately our standards have dropped.

Cat has lived and worked in more places then most of us have had pairs of socks. Time to educate yourselves on what is really out there, you'll see the world is very big with lots of opporunities for everyone. Coast to Coast is where Canada ends not the world.

Hickory Stick · Post by **Hickory Stick** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:15 am

CID, I mean this respectfully but BITE ME! I was asking a question how not to get RAPED with taxes. If I am not going to be here for 3 or more years why should I pay?

If I have to pay, so be it, but I want to know HOW I CAN FINALLY SAVE SOME MONEY TOWARDS RETIREMENT!!!

Cheers

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:41 am

Canada is without a doubt a very beautiful country and for the most part the people living here is great. But I do have to agree with Cat and BJM on certain things. I think Canadians including myself have become a little naive for many reasons including being very good at telling ourself what a great place this is. Anyone out there, feel free to justify this one: I take my kids with me and my spouse stays and works here. Me and the kids do not set foot on Canadian soil for a couple of years, and my spouse is paying for her right to healtcare etc. through her own income tax. We do not own property or vehicles in Canada either. Why the f*&% should I have to pay taxes in full here plus taxes in the country I am employed? Yes, I would get credit for some of the taxes paid in my country of employement, but I would still pay the sum of full taxes here and the portion not credited for in the country of employment. Now, someone please explain to me how this is justifiable?
Now if you are working abroad for a Canadian employer you will pay off-shore taxes which is a flat tax, and I am not sure how much it is but used to be 27% I belive!! This is someone that is still entitled to have their family here and own property. Make any sense compared to someone leaving the country potentially on a permanent basis having to pay full tax in two countries?

It is bad enough to live and work in a country( I am not just talking about Canada) that punishes you more the harder you work and the more you make. But bending over and taking it from Mr. Martin (sans lube) while living, working and paying taxes in another country I have trouble with! I allways belived in flat taxes. Not the progressive bullshit tax scale where you get punished for going out and getting an education and therefore get paid more. Many democratic countries use a flat tax type of system and it works like a charm.

In regards to Cathay pilots, they also have to pay full taxes to Canada unless cutting all residential ties. Meaning, no spouses, kids or property in Canada. They can even make you pay taxes in full here if you bring your whoule family with you and lease out you home! WTF?

End rant.

Hickory Stick · Post by **Hickory Stick** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:01 am

Man o man. I started this thread not to SCREW Canada but to UNSCREW myself. I am leaving for 3 years for overseas work. I plan on coming back for maybe 14 days out of the year, but that is for training at CAE.

SO while I am out of the country not using any services why should I have to pay? I am not bashing Canada CID, I am just leaving and trying to figure out how I can save some cash. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

This reminds me of grade 9 history...The Boston Tea Party. No taxation without representation! Do you understand that CID?

Anyway, I posted this in hopes of finding out how people have fared in the Canadian tax structure while overseas. I hope to gain some valuable insight and how I can finally set some money aside for retirement!

Shite, Mr. Martin and his Liberal cronnies are entiltled to a full pension after 3 or 5 years whatever it is. They waste Billions on the Gun Registry, swindle you and I out of millions in the Sponsorship Scandal, and CID is telling me to leave the country? CID I said it before and I will say it again, respectfully of course "BITE ME".

Anyway, to all who have helped....Thank You! CAT DRIVER...Thank You! CID....Bite Me! Rubberbiscuit....I'll see you in YUL on the 18th, if you want you can spend time in my backyard in a tent while were training on the RJ.

Sorry for the venting all, but I had to!

Cheers.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:55 am

This from CID:

"Of course its not perfect, but we certainly aren't helped by supporting those who are bent on evading the tax or those who are haunted by "corruption" myths that they constantly refer to, in order to hide their own inadequacies or failure to effectively work within the system.

Hickory Stick, Cat, don't let the screen door hit you on the ass on your way out. "

CID you sure know how to hit yourself in the ass with your uninformed comments.

You haven't a clue of my ability to work within the system, and as far as "Inadequacies" are concerned you should be as inadequate as I am.

I am one of the most qualified and experienced pilots in the aviation business and that is proven by the number of countries that give me blanket authority to fly and train other pilots in their airspace and under their rules by granting me exemptions from all the B.S. written exams and the need to aquire their licenses. In my present position I am flying under JAR requirements and not only with the blessing of the CAA but I also train their inspectors.

As a bonus I hold a CAA Airshow Display Authorization with no restrictions and we fly in many airshows during the season, the last one was last Sunday.

There is a very good chance that what I reseive in living allowances is more than you make for a salry, judging by the peanuts Canadian pilots get paid.

As far as the door slamming me in the ass, hell I just returned from a holiday in Poland and Germany and am heading down to Luxor Egypt for a week in between my flying schedule.....

...Don't you wish you were so inadequate?

As for corruption in Canadian Government you should note that I have on many occasions stated that the Director General Civil Aviation is a moral degenerate, and he hasen't got the balls to bring me in front of a Fedreal court to defend my allegation.

So what do you think of all that CID?

Cat

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:31 am

Cat

Could it be that the Government can't tax you cause they can't track you?

Check your PM