QATAR AIRWAYS PILOT ROAD SHOW - YYZ

[Stu Pidasso]

Some fair points GRK, although at this stage of my career (read sunset) I can say "never." If I was 45 years old and had to feed my family, different story. Although considering you can do almost 400K on a 320 in Asia, I would take that over the Arabs.

....but that may be just me?

I don't follow your comments; "especially after the AC wins at all costs fight that ended up causing huge number of wide body qualified pilots to lose their livelihood. "

I do know of one individual who quit AC to go to the Emirates and hated it, reapplied to AC and came back, losing 600 numbers in the process and thankful to be back.

I've been around a long time and can't recall any widebody Pilots losing their livelihood?

[timel]

Some fair points GRK, although at this stage of my career (read sunset) I can say "never." If I was 45 years old and had to feed my family, different story. Although considering you can do almost 400K on a 320 in Asia, I would take that over the Arabs.

400k pilot jobs do not exist even for corporates.

Highest pays are now are 200k that's at the end of a career especially in Asia where they are trying more and more to make it jobs to locals and where foreigners are less and less welcome, what is fair.

[Stu Pidasso]

Best check your source timel, one of MANY packages available.


AeroPersonnel Global
Airbus A320 Captain
Loongair Airlines requires for immediate and upcoming employment 20 Airbus A320 Captains.
Loongair offers one of the best A320 captain packages in the World. Return home with more than a million dollars net of taxes after a completing a six year contract. Loongair is based in Hangzhou, the most scenic city of China, two hours away by car South of Shanghai.
Remuneration and benefit package
For Option 1, Full time residency
An all in package equivalent to 391,800 US$ before tax per year at a taxation rate of 36.2 %. Taxes are paid in China with no double taxation in country of residence.
For Option 2, 6 weeks on / 2 weeks off rotations
An all in package equivalent to 369,500 US$ before tax per year at a taxation rate of 35.6 %. Taxes are paid in China with no double taxation in country of residence.
For Option 3, 6 weeks on / 3 weeks off rotations
An all in package equivalent to 347,100 US$ before tax per year at a taxation rate of 33.2 %. Taxes are paid in China with no double taxation in country of residence.
A three to six year renewable contract is offered for all options.
For detailed remuneration and qualification requirement information on these packages, please visit http://www.aeropersonnel.com. Remuneration is paid after tax. Taxes are paid in China. Remuneration is paid after tax.
Assistance and Support in China
AeroPersonnel provides 24/7 support for its candidates and pilots in China. Its representatives will be waiting for you at the airport on the date of your arrival in China for your screening. They will personally escort you every day of the screening process. They will be there again when you report for work with the Airline and will assist you as needed during your period of service in China.

[timel]

Best check your source timel, one of MANY packages available.


AeroPersonnel Global
Airbus A320 Captain
Loongair Airlines requires for immediate and upcoming employment 20 Airbus A320 Captains.
Loongair offers one of the best A320 captain packages in the World. Return home with more than a million dollars net of taxes after a completing a six year contract. Loongair is based in Hangzhou, the most scenic city of China, two hours away by car South of Shanghai.
Remuneration and benefit package
For Option 1, Full time residency
An all in package equivalent to 391,800 US$ before tax per year at a taxation rate of 36.2 %. Taxes are paid in China with no double taxation in country of residence.
For Option 2, 6 weeks on / 2 weeks off rotations
An all in package equivalent to 369,500 US$ before tax per year at a taxation rate of 35.6 %. Taxes are paid in China with no double taxation in country of residence.
For Option 3, 6 weeks on / 3 weeks off rotations
An all in package equivalent to 347,100 US$ before tax per year at a taxation rate of 33.2 %. Taxes are paid in China with no double taxation in country of residence.
A three to six year renewable contract is offered for all options.
For detailed remuneration and qualification requirement information on these packages, please visit http://www.aeropersonnel.com. Remuneration is paid after tax. Taxes are paid in China. Remuneration is paid after tax.
Assistance and Support in China
AeroPersonnel provides 24/7 support for its candidates and pilots in China. Its representatives will be waiting for you at the airport on the date of your arrival in China for your screening. They will personally escort you every day of the screening process. They will be there again when you report for work with the Airline and will assist you as needed during your period of service in China.

Ich.. Yeah my source is pretty wrecked! Weird it is a 747 captain who spent most of his career in Asia. Aeropersonnel is maybe an exception? Know there is a big demand right now in Japan, I'll dig that a little more, thanks for the info, good to know!

[GRK]

Stu,

Recall roughly a few short months after 911…the Canadian airline industry in tatters, and Canada 3000 attempting to correct a few disastrous financial decisions (read: believing M LeBlanc…) and AC lobbying hard against it. The Canadian government at the time gave C3 a shot at getting bridge financing etc but the requirements were to guarantee a return to profit in under six months…no one in their right mind would guarantee that so that was the end. The AC lobby won that fight and there you have a large number of very well qualified jet pilots on the street with AC, WJ (just to name a few) seniority lists staring them in the face…you bet that there was a large job loss…top it off the forced merge between AC and CAIL made good and sure that any movement in the Canadian industry was slow and painful. I could go on, but this thread isn't about that. Good luck in your twilight years, I'm right there alongside and gonna be done in about 5-6 more…not in my home country though.

ATB GRK

[Obbie]

Stu you don't read very well. You must be old.

It says "package equivalent to $xxxxxxxx US BEFORE TAX" then they use a random low rate.

This is not what you will be paid in pocket. You will be paid far less, about 35% less.
That 391,800 value means you actually will only be paid $250,750 and then you might still be
on the hook for an additional outstanding 15% to the CRA depending on your personal
situation. Which would put it right down to $195,900

Notice how unimpressive 195,900 is compared to 391,800. But with a little fancy wording
suddenly you are being paid a crazy amount, too good to be true. Sucker

By the way, I flew to Melbourne today with one of those Canadian captains your sick airline
and union help put out of a job years ago. He says enjoy your retirement.

[Stu Pidasso]

Serious Anger issues Obbie, Daddy issues, short man complex?

The point of the post is Qatar is not paying enough ! The Chinese 320 contracts (even after tax) pay considerably more and you don't have to put up with the Eh-Rabs.

[Inverted2]

China is not without it's faults either. This is the air you (and your family?) breathe in many large cities:

[timel]

Wouach!!
That's an expensive price to pay on your health.

[bmc]

Al Baker will love this publicity:

http://aviationbusinessme.com/airlines/ ... 5XsPXK1b5l

As for the swipe at dealing with Arabs, I generally found them not as closed minded as a lot of Canadians, sadly.

[Stu Pidasso]

"Open Minded," I guess if you consider lopping hands and heads off at "Chop-Chop Square" open minded?

Or - the way they treat their woman...or....

[GRK]

Dear Stu,

Please don't let the actions in one part of the M. E. colour your impression of the whole region. It's kinda like thinking FOX News will tell you what's true and what's BS…of course it's up to you to believe what you believe, but where a predominant number of your fellow Canuckleheads live there is a marked difference in Islam and how it is practiced. Please do remember that nothing is perfect, and Canada has it's large share of faults as well. How we are influenced is largely based on what we see…

GRK

[Obbie]

Although he claims to be retiring soon, I think Stu is someone who didn't get around much.

[Eric Janson]

Eric,

I share your disgust with much of how things are done in Qatar and the Middle East in general. But I can assure you there are people working to change things in Qatar as well. Did you yourself not work in the sub-continent for years? Places like Sri Lanka where massive war crimes are only now trying to see the light of day, India with it's rape culture and massive economic inequities, Pakistan with well, it's Pakistan, enough said. Asia is no better. Thailand? A political mess. China? Another bastion of democracy, not. Africa? I could go on. I mean no disrespect, but I find it odd that a fellow expat has such a highly defined hierarchy of locales that you single out Qatar. (Incidentally I too hope they lose the World Cup. It was bought and paid for, just like Expo 2020 in the UAE. Duh.)

@complexintentions

I did indeed work in Sri Lanka for 8 years. Enjoyed my time there - far better location than the ME imho. Things have really started going downhill there in the last 3 years so perhaps it's not a bad thing I no longer work there.

I am aware of the pros and cons of the various Asian countries - however this thread is about Qatar/Qatar Airways.

While many countries may have "a long way to go" - as those of us from so-called "civilized" countries have the luxury of judging - ruling out specific countries that you have never lived in is pretty shortsighted in my opinion. Obbie has attempted to present an option that obviously, is working for him or he wouldn't be there. No need to crap all over it.

I've spent enough time in the Gulf to see past the flashy buildings and glitzy malls. I've done enough layovers in DOH to see what life is like there. I've never been able to picture myself living there. I have friends working at all the ME Airlines - I have a very good picture of what life is like.

I've had plenty of dealings with the locals in various Gulf countries. I can't stand their mentality. The level of arrogance has to be experienced to be believed. They look down on their Asian labourers even though without them their countries would come to a standstill and they'd be sitting in the dark starving to death.

Biggest hypocrites on the planet imho.

I did an interview for an ME Airline last year. The biggest issue for them? They could not understand why I would be working in Sri Lanka - they just didn't get it.

As I've said - they have a long way to go.

I have no issues with Obbie (I am very careful about avoiding personal attacks).

It's important that the full picture is presented so that people can make an informed choice. With Qatar it is important to look at the following:-

- The Bond
- You need a Visa to exit the country.
- AAB (Qatar CEO). Read all about him.
- You have zero rights. You can be terminated and given 24 hours to leave the country.

Broompusher presents a much more balanced picture.

With any Expat job - do your research. Know what you are getting yourself into.

[Mig29]

If I was you guys, instead of hypothesizing, I would just dress up and show up and see what they have to offer. And then ask them all you want to know.

[complexintentions]

Nahhhhh...way easier to form an opinion without actually experiencing something... Stu trying to suggest all countries are Saudi only illustrates his never getting out of his bubble. It's so ignorant I can only conclude it's trolling. Note to Stu: a coupla trips a month YVR-SYD is not my idea of diverse international experience. I'm always amazed at just how clueless a lot of pilots at so-called "legacy" carriers actually are. And senior ones at that!

But sorry Eric, gotta agree with their questioning why you would work in Sri Lanka. And I too have much experience - in the same vein as yours of the ME - with trips, visits, and colleagues from all over the sub-continent. And there's no way I'd ever - EVER - live and work in any of the countries in that region. I'll take greed and arrogance - which is at least predictable and surmountable - over a complete mess of extreme poverty, wealth disparity, corruption, filth, desperation and chaos. Not a single person I've known who went to work on a Jet Airways or similar contract didn't loathe the place and the job by the time they - always earlier than planned - left. Nothing about my thousands of interactions over many years with the culture from that part of the planet has done anything to dispel my perceptions. Ironically, depending on where you based in the ME, you'd be dealing more with Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis/Sri Lankans than Arabs anyway. And if you want to place blame for the breathtakingly poor management of most Gulf companies, the fault usually lies with the sociopathic British managers anyway. Singling out the Arabs because some of them are admittedly, bling-obsessed fools is shortsighted. The glitzy mall stereotype - really?

But that's just my opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree. I do respect that at least your opinions are informed by personal experience, not just something you saw on Discovery or Fox News.

Expat life is about finding the best deal that works for you and your situation. And each person can only find that out for themselves. If they dare.

[Eric Janson]

But that's just my opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Fair enough.

This is a still from my video camera taken on safari in Yala National Park, Sri Lanka in March 2013.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/763 ... d%2005.jpg

Expat life is about finding the best deal that works for you and your situation. And each person can only find that out for themselves. If they dare.

Agree 100%

[avtutor]

Did anyone attend? I was planning to go but plans to be in yyz got changed. Any comments on the timeshare presentation?