Encore gets one list and a new pay scale.

[twinpratts]

Way to go WJPA.
Details to follow

[No Quarter]

Sign a card! Let's get moving.

[DBC]

Congrats on both, good job WJPA.

[stickontheice]

First of many announcements coming up I suspect.

[flyer 1492]

What took soooo long....it's only been, what a year.

[rudder]

WB announcement will be next. A330? B777-200? B767-300?

[DaveP]

Hi

As advertised, slowly but surely things will continue to improve. I think this is a great step forward.

Wide body talks are done, a final draft of language is now in play (and almost done to roll out). The pilots will have to vote on it yet.
Mum on the type

What will be tough is all the work maintenance has to do now. That takes a huge amount of time. A year is what I hear (if all goes well) to get it on our certificate.

Dave

off to yxl now...

[rudder]

Hi

As advertised, slowly but surly things will continue to improve. I think this is a great step forward.

Wide body talks are done, a final draft of language is now in play (and almost done to roll out). The pilots will have to vote on it yet.
Mum on the type

What will be tough is all the work maintenance has to do now. That takes a huge amount of time. A year is what I hear (if all goes well) to get it on our certificate.

Dave

off to yxl now...

I hope that the final product matches the stated intent.

As for new fleet types - Jazz added a B757 in just 8 months from program commitment to certificate approval. I am guessing that WJ will have to use the TC wet leases again for winter 2014/2015.

FWIW - I would stick with Boeing.........

[watermeth]

that's good news.
it might too early to say, but when the WB fleet begins international ops, will it be 100% crewed by WJ or will there be a need for direct entry Capt & FO ?

[ahramin]

I'm sure there won't be any DECs. It's not like there is a lack of experience in either seat at WJ.

[Rem]

Now THAT my friends is why I haven't lost faith. Well done boys.

['97 Tercel]

-_-

[twinpratts]

Sign a card! Let's get moving.

No thanks.
Perhaps the card signers should move on

[No Quarter]

Dare to dream my friend. Only a matter of time.

[whiteguy]

Hi

As advertised, slowly but surly things will continue to improve. I think this is a great step forward.

Wide body talks are done, a final draft of language is now in play (and almost done to roll out). The pilots will have to vote on it yet.
Mum on the type

What will be tough is all the work maintenance has to do now. That takes a huge amount of time. A year is what I hear (if all goes well) to get it on our certificate.

Dave

off to yxl now...

I hope that the final product matches the stated intent.

As for new fleet types - Jazz added a B757 in just 8 months from program commitment to certificate approval. I am guessing that WJ will have to use the TC wet leases again for winter 2014/2015.

FWIW - I would stick with Boeing.........

Using TC for 2014/15 was always planned as it's the last year of the contract.

[M. Essaie]

What is the new pay scale?

[777LR]

I pay 500

[stickontheice]

Gotta love the new WJPA effort. Things are getting done. It's awesome to see!

[bluecoolaid]

Pilots are so easily distracted by shiny things. The wide body aircraft negotiations are great but Encore isn't going to operate them and therefore will have no affect on WAWCON. It's a nice carrot for down the road, but that is all it is. If you`re at a good airline and only fly a 737 Max for the rest of your career, wouldn`t that be almost as goodÉ

I'm sure that the WJPA are working hard but what has actually changed? The one list is a nice change. It likely should have been around since day one, but this is being fixed and a good compromise. It still has to be voted on by both pilot groups. It would be shocking to see it voted down by either group.
The new pay scale that was released was the 2 & 4% cost of living increase. The policy of valuing employees 10% less than the competition remains in place, as does valuing Encore at half of a WestJet employee in as far as a retirement plan goes.
Also, if I read the WJPA communication the way I believe it reads, flow won`t be increasing beyond the 25%.

Overall, it's still a good place to work but it seems to me that anyone who came here thinking that things would get better over time might be disappointed. No one I know expects things to change overnight but we have had a chance to have management review all of the major policies affecting WAWCON and thus far, we have a 2% raise, a westjet seniority number and outright "no" to all of the other suggestions for improvement. I don`t see any of these policies being reviewed again until next year`s compensation review. At that time, deliveries will have slowed down and we`ll be better able to keep up with hiring.

[rampman]

would sure be cheaper if encore operated the wide bodies

[complexintentions]

So, uh....what IS the actual pay scale now?

[dignifly]

Wouldn't it make sense to have an encore person locked in on the mainline seniority list when they upgrade to captain? Seems weird to hire direct entries because lower time people can't upgrade and then those captains slide below people theyre essentially teaching. Also, I'm guessing mainline doesn't hire 2000 hour pilots with no captain time either. I guess that's flying though and experience isn't necessarily rewarded. One list is good but just playing devil's advocate. It is avcanada after all!

[pacman007]

one list is good but it just added years to the upgrade of any new hires at westjet. there is now 150 encore pilots ahead of anyone hired at the mainline! encore will hire probably another 150 pilots over the next 2 years so add 5 more years to upgrade. its looking like at least 12-15 years for a upgrade now. at some point its not worth it if you ask me

[Duster]

Not quite the great deal its touted to be. 80 hour min block likely returning to 70 hours as of Jan 2015. No YOS - an Encore Captain will take a pay cut to go to Year 1 FO at WestJet. Still 10%ESP, less benefits, - I see no change until ceetification takes place. This is lipstick on a pig.

[Dibbley]

And what of those poor Encore mechanics? Are they still left where they were, hoping to somehow have a chance of advancement to the mainline organization?