CYYC runway walk

[yycflyguy]

On behalf of Calgary Terminal, can anyone tell us who "co-joe" flies for and what equipment. DM any of us if you need.

Why? You wouldn't be considering punitive actions against a pilot or operator based on anonymous postings on an aviation forum would you? Not cool.

[cyeg66]

Why? You wouldn't be considering punitive actions against a pilot or operator based on anonymous postings on an aviation forum would you? Not cool.

Not cool, like say, for example, never missing a chance to slag a group of guys that are working their asses off to render as good a service as possible under difficult circumstances, all the while hiding behind an anonymous ID on an aviation forum...? Yeah, you're right. And if said individual is too much of a slug to actually do something to educate himself on the complex nature of our work, then perhaps that's all Burly is looking to do, do some "educating". "Punitive actions?" Lighten up, next we'll be sending people to the gulags for using Harper's name in vain...

Flow control will only cease when Nav Canada has hired the appropriate number of controllers to handle the increase of movements.

??? Increase in movements? You know something I don't? The irony is, with parallels, one guy can handle more traffic, more efficiently. We'll have plenty of spare capacity now, especially in good weather conditions.

[arctic_slim]

You guys up in the tower/centre are doing a great job in my opinion. Some days there is so much traffic and so many weather diversions out there that I picture the airspace to look like a bee hive after someone has whacked it with a stick.

My worst fear is that one day I will get cleared for 17L and am going to line up with the 17R since that's the one I expect to get every time and am used to it.

[leftoftrack]

You guys up in the tower/centre are doing a great job in my opinion. Some days there is so much traffic and so many weather diversions out there that I picture the airspace to look like a bee hive after someone has whacked it with a stick.

My worst fear is that one day I will get cleared for 17L and am going to line up with the 17R since that's the one I expect to get every time and am used to it.

There is an app for that

[yycflyguy]

Why? You wouldn't be considering punitive actions against a pilot or operator based on anonymous postings on an aviation forum would you? Not cool.

Not cool, like say, for example, never missing a chance to slag a group of guys that are working their asses off to render as good a service as possible under difficult circumstances, all the while hiding behind an anonymous ID on an aviation forum...? Yeah, you're right. And if said individual is too much of a slug to actually do something to educate himself on the complex nature of our work, then perhaps that's all Burly is looking to do, do some "educating". "Punitive actions?" Lighten up, next we'll be sending people to the gulags for using Harper's name in vain...

Re-read your colleagues post.

On behalf of Calgary Terminal, can anyone tell us who "co-joe" flies for and what equipment. DM any of us if you need.

His intention was certainly not to "educate" an aviator on the complexities of ATC. Sometimes I forget. Are we up there cuz you're down there or is it the other way around?

Apologies for the drift.

[cyeg66]

Re-read your colleagues post.

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No need. I read something once, I typically understand what was written, and sometimes implied. That's how I was 'lucky' enough to get a license.

His intention was certainly not to "educate" an aviator on the complexities of ATC. Sometimes I forget. Are we up there cuz you're down there or is it the other way around?

Again, I'm not sure what it is you think we do, or what we're there for. As far as I'm aware, any 'punitive' action taken by a controller against an a/c and it's driver is grounds for getting into trouble, possibly severe. Other than bumping an inept/horribly inattentive pilot one spot further down "in the sequence", it's illegal to just put a plane on made up vectors cause we feel like it. So you can put down your torch and pitchfork. As much as you're trying to take a stand for co-joe (who's POV is way off in left field), I can actually vouch for Burly and his professionalism as an ATC. It's a beautiful day. Go and enjoy it. Cheers.

[burly]

Why? You wouldn't be considering punitive actions against a pilot or operator based on anonymous postings on an aviation forum would you? Not cool.

Feel free to imply whatever you wish. If people want to come on here and complain about the level of service they are getting, then feel free. We are all strong personalites and can deal with it. But if you are going to complain time and time again at least have the balls to say who or what your flying. That way we can tell if you're legit. If not then it becomes obvious that you're just out to troll.

The reason that a few controllers from the terminal have decided to come on here is to spread the flow of information. We didnt all decide to join this site to sit and get shit flung at us constantly. If you have a problem then man up and explain the issue. However, to those people that appreciate our service we thank you.

Until then ill just go put my headset back on and make sure everyone gets in their CRDA ghost on RWY 11 with a thunderstorm over the rockies and 4 hailstop aircraft seeding CB's around you. Also heads up for that guy who departed CYBW westbound that is climbing out of 8500 in class C without a clearance. Must be those stupid YYC terminal controllers working to rule again.

Burly
YYC Terminal

[Braun]

Why? You wouldn't be considering punitive actions against a pilot or operator based on anonymous postings on an aviation forum would you? Not cool.

Feel free to imply whatever you wish. If people want to come on here and complain about the level of service they are getting, then feel free. We are all strong personalites and can deal with it. But if you are going to complain time and time again at least have the balls to say who or what your flying. That way we can tell if you're legit. If not then it becomes obvious that you're just out to troll.

The reason that a few controllers from the terminal have decided to come on here is to spread the flow of information. We didnt all decide to join this site to sit and get shit flung at us constantly. If you have a problem then man up and explain the issue. However, to those people that appreciate our service we thank you.

Until then ill just go put my headset back on and make sure everyone gets in their CRDA ghost on RWY 11 with a thunderstorm over the rockies and 4 hailstop aircraft seeding CB's around you. Also heads up for that guy who departed CYBW westbound that is climbing out of 8500 in class C without a clearance. Must be those stupid YYC terminal controllers working to rule again.

Burly
YYC Terminal

BTW, once you guys get the parallel's going i'd like to know what your spacing with tower will ressemble. How much will they need for departures etc... g'day

[cyeg66]

BTW, once you guys get the parallel's going i'd like to know what your spacing with tower will ressemble. How much will they need for departures etc... g'day

On va commencer par donner 6 milles en file, uh sorry, 6 miles in trail to each runway. We (terminal) would like 5 per side eventually, but from the outset we'll give 6 until we figure out if it's ever necessary to give less, so ~48 arrivals/hr. Even at 3600' ASL, 5 miles in trail is sufficient to depart between in 98% of cases.

[Braun]

Merci beaucoup, that's consistent with what we have. Our operation is a tad different though but thanks!

[co-joe]

You seem so sure another piece of asphalt will fix all our woes. Has Navcan hired and trained all the new voices required to man the new sectors? What will the learning/growing pains be like? Will flow control just go away? Who will cover all of the vacation time in the summer that inevitably leads to more flow control, crossing restrictions, and holds?

By the time the ring road was built, so many people had moved to Calgary that it made absolutely no difference to traffic anywhere else in the city and in fact created jams of its own since there are no thoroughfares to get to and from it.

You can rant and rave all you want but time will tell if flow control bullshit will simply vanish.

I respect the people, it's the organisation and the airspace monopoly I'm tired of.

[stofer]

Hello Co-Joe,
A new piece of pavement will not fix all of our woes but will go along way in reducing airborne delays and queues to depart.
The next Terminal course starts in September (again) and there will be a yearly course for the foreseeable future.
Growing pains? Sure, some. Both units, Tower and Terminal have had at least 8 days of training, classroom and simulation, and this will help eliminate any serious gotcha's. There is an implementation plan that is being shared with the customers ie you. If you haven't seen it ask your boss.
Flow is here to stay, like it or not. We still need a mechanism to manage traffic when demand exceeds normal capacity and when capacity is reduced due construction, snow clearing, thunderstorms etc.
Our vacation "slots" over the summer have not increased, in fact in some instances they have been reduced. BTW, delays to itinerant IFR aircraft are very rarely caused by staff shortages in the Terminal, believe it or not.
Not much else I can say but I do encourage you or any of your peers to come visit the centre when you are in Edmonton. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Call the shift manager, set up a visit.
CB
YC TCU

[yycflyguy]

Hello Co-Joe,
A new piece of pavement will not fix all of our woes but will go along way in reducing airborne delays and queues to depart.
The next Terminal course starts in September (again) and there will be a yearly course for the foreseeable future.
Growing pains? Sure, some. Both units, Tower and Terminal have had at least 8 days of training, classroom and simulation, and this will help eliminate any serious gotcha's. There is an implementation plan that is being shared with the customers ie you. If you haven't seen it ask your boss.
Flow is here to stay, like it or not. We still need a mechanism to manage traffic when demand exceeds normal capacity and when capacity is reduced due construction, snow clearing, thunderstorms etc.
Our vacation "slots" over the summer have not increased, in fact in some instances they have been reduced. BTW, delays to itinerant IFR aircraft are very rarely caused by staff shortages in the Terminal, believe it or not.
Not much else I can say but I do encourage you or any of your peers to come visit the centre when you are in Edmonton. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Call the shift manager, set up a visit.
CB
YC TCU

Now THAT was a professional, educational post. Bravo

[cyeg66]

Yes, gold stars abound for Stofer for taking the time to civilly respond to a troll.

[leftoftrack]

On behalf of Calgary Terminal, can anyone tell us who "co-joe" flies for and what equipment. DM any of us if you need.

co-joe does not speak for the rest of encore

[ScudRunner]

We didnt all decide to join this site to sit and get shit flung at us constantly.

Burly
YYC Terminal

Don't you realize that is the entire point of Avcanada to fling shit?
Anyway nice job with the T-storms right over YYC yesterday I enjoyed my site seeing vectors around the NW in the clear waving at Mapleflot every few turns.

[cyeg66]

Don't you realize that is the entire point of Avcanada to fling shit?
Anyway nice job with the T-storms right over YYC yesterday I enjoyed my site seeing vectors around the NW in the clear waving at Mapleflot every few turns.

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. I was running out of altitudes and headings with the 7 or 8 of you in that little quadrant in the NW, all the while avoiding a couple of hailstops. Took us a couple hours to catch up after the airport got shut down for that little while. A parallel's gonna help us catch up more quickly in instances such as that.

[C-GKNT]

Video of flight to the end of the new runway and back (music selected and edited by my young co-pilot/videographer).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r0trIB6qn0

Glenn