Transferring Stuff to a new Licence Booklet

[PostmasterGeneral]

Finally received my new booklet in the mail. What do I do about transferring things such as GPS certifications to my new booklet? The ACP who had originally certified me on those models is no longer with the company, and neither am I for that matter. Would save my current employer and me a bunch of time if I could transport those in. I carry my old booklet with me to stay legal, but would prefer to carry just the one. Is there anything I can do to transfer it into my new booklet?

[ahramin]

You're way ahead of Transport Canada, but they have an easy solution: Carry both booklets with you.

Sounds like a pathetic joke, I know. Never underestimate Transport Canada's astounding capacity for stupidity.

[ahramin]

Although now that I think about it, what the heck is GPS certification? Do I need that? Where does that go in your booklet?

[Heisenberg666]

I used to get them as part of my PPC. Don't know if they stopped doing that or what.

[jeta1]

Sounds like a minor problem to me...

[snoopy]

If you want to be able to legally do GPS approaches, you must do a GPS ride to prove competency. It can be done as part of a PPC, but is a separate certification. Additionally, even if you have the certification, your second crew member (if flying two crew ops) must also have the certification; the aircraft must have an approved GPS with a current database and the operator must be approved for GPS approaches.
Cheers,
Kirsten B.

[ahramin]

If you want to be able to legally do GPS approaches, you must do a GPS ride to prove competency. It can be done as part of a PPC, but is a separate certification. Additionally, even if you have the certification, your second crew member (if flying two crew ops) must also have the certification; the aircraft must have an approved GPS with a current database and the operator must be approved for GPS approaches.
Cheers,
Kirsten B.

All correct, but why would this certification be on a licence? There are a lot of ops specs that require training and inclusion in the PPC (or separate ride). I've never heard of putting any of them in the ADB.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Kirsten is correct. I don't want to carry two books around anymore, and I am required to have that GPS certification in my book in order to legally fly RNAV approaches. So, who do I need to talk to, or what do I need to do to transfer that certification over to my new booklet?

The GPS certification goes as a separate entry in the "Competency" section of the booklet, just like a PPC.

[ahramin]

What about RVSM, 1200 and 600 RVR takeoffs, Cat II and III approaches? Do all of these have to be in the booklet?

[PostmasterGeneral]

I don't know about those. Those are approved by TC on the company ops spec. Then the company approves pilots based on XX requirements. GPS certification is transferable to another company like a PPC, whereas RVR 1200/600 certification is not to the best of my knowledge.

[leftoftrack]

What about FMS certification?

Kirsten is correct. I don't want to carry two books around anymore, and I am required to have that GPS certification in my book in order to legally fly RNAV approaches. So, who do I need to talk to, or what do I need to do to transfer that certification over to my new booklet?

The GPS certification goes as a separate entry in the "Competency" section of the booklet, just like a PPC.

That second book is so heavy and takes up so much space

[PostmasterGeneral]

Obviously it's not a huge deal to carry my old booklet with me. The point of the post was to ask if there was anything that CAN be done about transferring things over to a new booklet.

That question has yet to be answered.

[Rudy]

40 career with new certifications in each book and you'll be carrying 8 of them.

[fanspeed]

Obviously it's not a huge deal to carry my old booklet with me. The point of the post was to ask if there was anything that CAN be done about transferring things over to a new booklet.

That question has yet to be answered.

Transfer it over yourself. Include the date, and the name/license of the person signing off the privilege. Done.

[Colonel Sanders]

Can I do that with medical certifications?
I'm carrying around two booklets, but I
don't have the stamp the doctors use. Does
that matter?

[ahramin]

What a perfect solution. I'll just do that for my medicals and PPCs as well. I should have know that "The following record table is reserved for official use only by a person delegated by the Minister" had some exemption buried away in the CARs. Mind pointing a link at the exemption for us Fanspeed?

[AirFrame]

That second book is so heavy and takes up so much space

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but here goes anyway...

The new ADB is already 8x the size of my old paper license that used to live in my wallet and hence was always with me. The new booklet has to live outside my wallet, which makes it prone to being left at the house, in my kneeboard, in my flight suit, or wherever I happened to leave it after my last flight. As I fly more than one airplane, at more than one airport, I can't just leave it in my own plane and always have it with me (although I do that sometimes too).

Carrying two books means you're now carrying 16X the volume that you really need to show that you're licensed to fly an airplane. For a medical, I would go back to my doctor and ask him to transfer the stamp. For a GPS certification from an outlet that no longer exists, i'd do what Fanspeed suggested. If it fits, i'd add wording like "as per previous ADB" and keep the old one at home to show if anyone asked for it. Which nobody EVER will.

[Colonel Sanders]

I have so much crap, I have to have a
separate wallet to carry it around in.

- two TC booklets
- RTROC
- two FAA certificates
- FAA medical
- FAA BFR
- SAC
- SFOC
- controlled airspace in Canada acro exemption
- controlled airspace in USA below class B acro FAA precedent
- 250 knot exemption below 10k

so after I land, and some screeching bureaucrat
with a clipboard runs up to me and starts wailing
at me, "YOU CAN'T DO THAT", I start pulling out
crap, one after another, until he goes away.

What nonsense.

[digits_]

I have so much crap, I have to have a
separate wallet to carry it around in.

- two TC booklets
- RTROC
- two FAA certificates
- FAA medical
- FAA BFR
- SAC
- SFOC
- controlled airspace in Canada acro exemption
- controlled airspace in USA below class B acro FAA precedent
- 250 knot exemption below 10k

I am wondering, has there ever been a flight where you needed all those documents to complet it legally

[AOW]

I have seen PPC cards with GPS certification on them, but as far as TC (at least in Ontario, other regions seem to have their own interpretations of the regs) is concerned, as long as GPS competency has been recorded on the 0249 form (Flight Test Report), then they are satisfied.

[dash8dave]

Finally received my new booklet in the mail. What do I do about transferring things such as GPS certifications to my new booklet? The ACP who had originally certified me on those models is no longer with the company, and neither am I for that matter. Would save my current employer and me a bunch of time if I could transport those in. I carry my old booklet with me to stay legal, but would prefer to carry just the one. Is there anything I can do to transfer it into my new booklet?

Here is the link to the ADB:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... 01-474.htm

Here is a section of that AC:

(6) Step 3: Transfer any relevant information from pages 13 and 14 to the corresponding pages in the new ADB.
(a) Once the new ADB contains the relevant information to allow you to exercise the privileges of your permit(s) or licence(s), the old ADB becomes null and void and will not reflect the valid Booklet number held in Transport Canada's files.

Hope this helps.

D8D

[fanspeed]

Finally received my new booklet in the mail. What do I do about transferring things such as GPS certifications to my new booklet? The ACP who had originally certified me on those models is no longer with the company, and neither am I for that matter. Would save my current employer and me a bunch of time if I could transport those in. I carry my old booklet with me to stay legal, but would prefer to carry just the one. Is there anything I can do to transfer it into my new booklet?

Here is the link to the ADB:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... 01-474.htm

Here is a section of that AC:

(6) Step 3: Transfer any relevant information from pages 13 and 14 to the corresponding pages in the new ADB.
(a) Once the new ADB contains the relevant information to allow you to exercise the privileges of your permit(s) or licence(s), the old ADB becomes null and void and will not reflect the valid Booklet number held in Transport Canada's files.

Hope this helps.

D8D

Wow. Too simple-like I said. I am not suggesting to anyone that they add privileges, or sign off their own medical. My old medical was included in the new booklet.

[Colonel Sanders]

Too late. I've already taken your advice
and signed off an LR45 in my booklet.

Does this mean that you won't be sending
me a new sticker?

[fanspeed]

It's in the mail. My youngest put it together for you, but it still looks fairly official by TC's standards. He is also at least as qualified as some of the MDs I have seen.

[xsbank]

Wow Fanspeed, truer words were never spoke.