Air Canada interview !!!!

disco · Post by **disco** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:30 am

Air Canada is interviewing 2500 hr guys who've been "paying their dues" for 2-3 years...and meanwhile Jazz is calling people with 6-7000 hrs. ???

what a f&%d up industry...

Should I revise my resume to pull off a whole buncha hours?

Pachanga · Post by **Pachanga** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:13 pm

Rubberbiscuit wrote:Nobody called me! I guess with 7500hrs I am over qualified and should change careers

Good for him though

Disco wrote:Air Canada is interviewing 2500 hr guys who've been "paying their dues" for 2-3 years...and meanwhile Jazz is calling people with 6-7000 hrs. ???

what a f&%d up industry...

Should I revise my resume to pull off a whole buncha hours?

How bout a University Degree, a second language, managerial skills, excellent references, diverse experience, personal skills, business ethics, ambitious attitude and high ranking aptitude and intelligence?

BTW, I'd like to know what 6-7000hr professionals are actually accepting starting jobs at Jazz?

flex temp · Post by **flex temp** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:36 pm

does anybody know what the approx time frame will be from the interview to the date of hire? For AC.

whipline · Post by **whipline** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:09 pm

I am in the same hours time frame as Rubber Biscuit, along with a degree, lots of references and my phone hasn't rang yet. In order to score high on any apptitude test or sim eval one would have to be interviewed first.

I think the column(s) I am lacking is my father doesn't work for AC and I stand up to pee.

I don't want to go to AC but I can't believe they are interviewing 2000 hr pilots and I feel for those professionals out there that have been waiting and building time to get into AC and are being looked over for pilots with practically no experience.

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:34 pm

Lots of speculation out there, guys (to say nothing of the lines thrown out to get people to respond the lame posts too).
Not everything you read is true

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Bede · Post by **Bede** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:54 am

If someone could a bit of background on the guys getting interview, that would be great. ie. 2500 hrs flying BE1900, university degreee, etc.

Thanks

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:37 am

Does anyone know of anybody getting an interview off the street who is NOT from JAZZ?

In the class of about 12 that I met the other day, only one guy was from Jazz.

I think the column(s) I am lacking is my father doesn't work for AC and I stand up to pee.

In that same class, there was only one girl and nobody had any relatives at the company.

One thing that I did notice, is that everyone was young. For awhile, it seemed AC was divesifying their age requirement to stagger the inevitable retirements and not have everyone retire at the same time.

Judging from the last class. it seems they are getting back to younger candidates. Could just be a coincedence but it was something I noticed right away.

The majority had no jet time.

LANDGREEN · Post by **LANDGREEN** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:57 am

Friend of mine called for August 1st start 35 years old around 9000hrs 727 Capt.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:03 am

Great stuff!

Maybe this last class was just an isolated case.

circlingfor69 · Post by **circlingfor69** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:06 am

How "young" wouild you say the class was? 25? 30? 35?

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:30 am

Do you know if these guys had lots of heavier TP time (above 12500)? Is heavy time, EFIS, airline time that important> I'm kind of thinking what to do next. I have no heavy time but lots of multiPIC in MU2. Get 12500 time or stay??

backon3 · Post by **backon3** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:26 am

Just a bit of info to confirm or deny. I have an interview Aug 29, consists of medical, interview and then cognitive testing. They pay the way there and back. 2200hrs, degree, diploma, no parlez french, heavy piston.

captainkangaroo · Post by **captainkangaroo** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:07 pm

I just got the call the other day. Male, 30's, 3000TT, 2500 heavy multi-turbine, 705 experience, post-secondary-no degree, no french, no realatives at AC.

Go figure! I can't believe it either.

Anyone have any infor on the interview. Who is conducting it? Is it personal, technical, behavioural?

Good luck to all.

Premium · Post by **Premium** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:41 pm

Backon3....age??

Interesting comments regarding what people think about experience (TT) vs. other qualifications. It seems to me that if AC had to choose between a guy with 5000-10000 hours TT and no degree vs. a guy with 2500 hours and a degree they are going to look at the guy with 5 years education first.

Good luck to all those with interviews.

like2fly · Post by **like2fly** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:05 pm

I put this under another post...might as well repost it here. Just heard of a guy who got called for an interview next week. Has around 2600 hours (flight instructing, fire patrol in a 337, PC-12 F/O). I could not believe it when I first heard it, but it is true!

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:37 pm

I could not be happier for those getting call. I mean it and wish you all the best of luck

I guess it is true they are doing the lottery thing. meaning, everyone that meets the qualifications has a chance. Is it fair? Does not matter. It is the system they have chosen and we have to live with it. The more unfortunate thing is the fact that guys that have been updating their resumes religiously every 90 days for years, even decades, are now just another name in the hat.

What really bothers me though is the B payscale and pay group at AC. If I understand it you could potentially make low wages for a long long time if stuck in the bottom few hundred on the seniority list. Don't even get me going on jazz! 34k to start and now they are expecting you to pay for your own travel to the interview, and friends of mine have been given 2 days notice for it

nohojob · Post by **nohojob** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:17 pm

I am sorry, I have a hard time to believe that it is like the lottery??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:26 pm

backon3, captkangaroo,

Congrats on the interview. Wish you all the best.

captainkangaroo · Post by **captainkangaroo** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:31 pm

Thanks Bede,

I have to say that I am as suprised as the rest of you that I got the call. I thought for sure it would take at the very least 4-5000 hours, I'm not complaining though.

Good luck to everyone!

orlando-pilot · Post by **orlando-pilot** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:46 pm

Hi All,

This is my first time on the site. I live in Orlando, FL, but I am originally from Ottawa.

I have an interview with AC next week. I have ~2300 hours Total Time (~1125 PIC, 1070 Embraer Regional Jet Glass Cockpit, 1300 Multi), 4 year degree.

Any information on the interveiw process would be helpful!

I know that my interview is basically a day long affair:

-45 minute personal interview in the morning
-2 hour flight physical
-CogScreen test in afternoon http://www.cogscreen.com/

I came across this info re: CogScreen:

MEC NEWSLETTER 2005 #05

CogScreen for New Hire pilots at Air Canada

July 6, 2005

Air Canada has recently commenced hiring pilots, and new hire courses are ongoing at this time. I am sure all will agree that we welcome this hiring trend and we look forward to welcoming these new colleagues into our ranks.

One aspect of new hiring to be aware of is that Air Canada has been using, and continues to use, "CogScreen testing" for new hire pilots. This testing is a computerized aptitude test of a person's cognitive function - the mental faculties of perception, thought, reason and memory. This will take place during the medical phase of a new hire pilot's selection process.

The established protocol, with appropriate guarantees, for such CogScreen testing, was agreed upon as far back as 1998 between ACPA and Air Canada, and is set out in our LOU#43. The Association has always opposed the use of psychological testing, except for purpose of research that may be of benefit for the piloting profession, and it is thus important to note that LOU#43 allows only voluntary CogScreen testing as part of a pilot's regular medical examination and is subject to the same medical privacy privilege that applies to any other medical test, with such test result remaining anonymous or being destroyed at the pilot's option. ACPA and Air Canada have further agreed "... that abnormal test result will not lead to further testing or any other job implications". In this same LOU#43, it is clearly set out that all information drawn from such tests of new hires is supposed to be treated for all purposes as if provided on a voluntary basis, in accordance with these same principles, i.e. medical privacy/privilege and no job implications.

The Association would therefore, like to take this opportunity to advise any of our membership, who may have recommended a particular pilot as a candidate for employment at Air Canada, to advise him or her to be fully prepared by showing up well rested and providing as much attention to detail as they would with any other testing phases they will be subject to in the new hire process. Such new hire pilot should also be made aware of his or her rights to medical privacy/privilege and no job implications as a result of such CogScreen testing.

As I said, any info would be appreciated.

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:27 pm

Unbelievable that guys with 2500 hrs are getting interviews while guys with 7000-8000hrs including Jet, EFIS, FMS, ACARS, Aviation diploma etc etc are being passed by. Don't get me wrong I wish everyone the best of luck it just kinda makes you wonder what they are looking for. Ever since I started flying I've been told that you need this kind of time, then that kind of time and now it looks like you don't need any time.....

whipline · Post by **whipline** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:08 am

Looks like I get to eat my words. I guess Air Canada is going after people who won't be complaining within a year about the pay, schedule, equipment, OAC, OCP, kellner, mitchnik and so on. Good luck on the interviews!!

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:33 am

Should I start cutting my time in half on my resume? Is that considered fudging your books? I wish you guys all the best on the interview, but when I had 2000 hours I couldn't wait to get 4000 so I could get on with AC.

orlando-pilot · Post by **orlando-pilot** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:12 am

Hey Guys,

I was speaking to an Air Canada pilot recently and he some provided some interesting insight as to why they are hiring a lot of low time guys. The company seems to be concerned about having an abundance of pilots in the same age group. It is not so much the fact that they have low time, but it relates more to the fact that low time correlates with low age in most cases. This is a smart move on the company's part (from a business perspective) because they are planning for the future. They want to avoid mass retirements. If they are hiring to prepare for a mass retirement over the next few years, then why would they hire pilots who will simply continue that trend immediately. This is why, according to my source, that they are taking a broad sample of all age groups and experience levels so that out of the new group, not all retirements will occur simultaneously.

This is not my opinion...I am just passing on some info thed may shed some light on the topic.

BC FLYER · Post by **BC FLYER** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:08 am

I can see the various age group that's for sure. It does make sense from a business point of view however, I do feel for the high time guys who have put in there time. I guess it comes down to being in the right place at the right time. However, before this subject/thread goes in the other direction then it was intended for. There still isn't much information on what the in person interview consists of. What type of questions they ask. To add to that, are the majority of the people being interviewed getting jobs or are they only taking say 3 out of the 10 they interview? Thanks.

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