Ramp Air bravo, Thunder airlines and others

[mike92]

Hi,

Is anybody knows if Air bravo and Thunder airlines hire some rampies and give them a job as a pilot after? How long can we expect to have a job as a pilot with 225h with multi-IFR if we're doing this?

Any other recent information of other companies that is doing this and how long we'll have to wait would be really appreciated.

Thanks !

[mike92]

You can also send me a PM

[Oxi]

definitely look into Wasaya.

[Bede]

I used to work at thunder years ago. At the time they didn't hire rampies. I think the minimum was 500 mpic because of the Medevac requirements.

[eh3fifty]

Perimeter Aviation hires rampies. That's pretty much all they hire. Last time they hired outside it didn't work too well.

They have a culture and want everyone to be essentially indoctrinated into it. Hiring young, impressionable kids from the ramp lets them do that.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Good plan. Find a ramp job. That's what you were trained for.
Illya

[All DAY EVERY DAY]

I think Thunder has some sort of dispatch to flight line program. Don't know about Bravo. Wasaya, Wabusk, Perimeter, Missinippi, Creebec and several other out west have ramp to flight line programs. It could take 3 months to 2 years sometimes. It all depends on timing and other factors. You are going to need at least 250 hrs TT and IATRA exam written I think and as I said many other companies do ramp/dispatch to flight line, if this is what you want to do. Do some research, you'll find many other threads.

Cheers!

[jamiet85]

Bravo, from what I understand, still hires dispatchers with minimal time and after 1-2 years with company, you can go right seat on the PC12. I can't speak on Thunder. I know that Wasaya does hire rampies after 6 months to 1 year where you work in either Pickle Lake or Red Lake. After that time you will be a caravan FO until you meet the minimum requirement of 1000 hrs TT, after which you will likely go right seat on a PC12.

Hope this helps! Don't rule out instructing for your first gig, great way to build pic time.

Cheers

[Moose47]

G'day Bede

Were you at Thunder when Bob Grant was there?

Cheers...Chris

[PostmasterGeneral]

Caravan FO? What the hell is that?

[Cat Driver]

Caravan FO? What the hell is that?

You can load and unload the airplane at more than one airport....

....a super rampie?

[Bede]

G'day Bede

Were you at Thunder when Bob Grant was there?

Cheers...Chris

No, I don't know that name. I was there from 01-05

[CDVPILOT74]

Skycare hires low timers and you start as a groomer but you will fly a twin and you upgrade quickly!

[Illya Kuryakin]

Skycare hires low timers and you start as a groomer but you will fly a twin and you upgrade quickly!

How long is your barge pole?
Illya

[NotDirty!]

My company, NWO Air, is hiring exactly one wannabe rampie. The job goes to the best response in this thread....

[Illya Kuryakin]

My company, NWO Air, is hiring exactly one wannabe rampie. The job goes to the best response in this thread....

Not only a golden opportunity to be a slave, but a chance to grovel for the privilege! What a deal!
Fifty thousand for a CPL, MEIFR, and you get to crawl on you hands and knees for the chance to be a loader! Where DO I sign up? Class act? Not so much.
Illya

[Krimson]

My company, NWO Air, is hiring exactly one wannabe rampie. The job goes to the best response in this thread....

Is that how interviews are conducted over there...?

[NotDirty!]

I forgot to mention: there is a $10,000 forklift training bond, plus a $2000 uniform bond. No health or dental benefits, but after 6 months you get unlimited standby passes to Pikangikum. Interested candidates please forward your resume, mother's maiden name, social insurance number, and avcanada username to hr@newworldorderair.ng

[xchox]

Caravan FO? What the hell is that?

You can load and unload the airplane at more than one airport....

....a super rampie?

[Lost Lake]

Skycare hires low timers and you start as a groomer but you will fly a twin and you upgrade quickly!

How long is your barge pole?
Illya

Hmmm. careful what you say about them. But there is a reason why you upgrade quick (read...turnover)

[FighterPilot]

Skycare hires low timers and you start as a groomer but you will fly a twin and you upgrade quickly!

Skycare? I'd avoid them and Frank like the plague.

[flyinthebug]

G'day Bede

Were you at Thunder when Bob Grant was there?

Cheers...Chris

No, I don't know that name. I was there from 01-05

I flew a couple flights as Bob`s co-pilot at Thunder in 97/98. Great pilot and I learned a lot from him...shooting an approach into Ogoki Post in fairly heavy snow sticks in my mind...with Bob "vectoring" me. That was my 1st approach to mins. Do you remember Gary Coughlin? He was 703 CP when I was there. I lost track of him and would love to hear from him. Last I heard he was at Perimeter a couple years back.

In regards to the OPs question...Transwest Airlines hires rampies...and they run a ground school every spring. Its 12-18 months to the right seat of a King Air, DHC6, Saab, or the PA31. The nice part is you do get some choice in which direction you wish to take your career. i.e. If you see floats/bush for your career, you`d bid the twotter, and if you were looking airlines, you bid the King airs or Saab...or even the HO just to get flying. The program works very well at TWA IMHO. The pay is well above min wage and they throw in free housing/Sat Tv/Internet etc at their northern bases. It would be worth sending them a resume.

Illya...we have agreed to disagree on this topic. I don't feel that earning a seat in a million dollar airplane is that far fetched an idea. Yes we paid a lot of $$$ for our licences, but there is nothing wrong with some good old fashioned "paying your dues". It happens in ALL industries. Apprentice mechanics wash parts for the 1st year or so. Newly minted doctors work 30 hour shifts in the ER. New lawyers become public defenders or "duty council" for the 1st few years. Its really quite common in all industries. There is nothing wrong with proving your work ethic to your employer and earning his or her trust to fly his or her very expensive machines. It worked for many airlines and even 2 I know of that you worked for in the past. It isn't as degrading as you seem to think it is old friend. I did split duty my 1st year...got lucky and got a 206 on floats as a 1st gig, but still built docks and s*hit houses when the props weren't turning...and I was paid mileage and no base. But I still enjoyed that entire season in YRL (and got over 350 hours while I was at it)!

Good luck to the OP on your search. Things are really starting to move in the industry right now, so some spots could open up long before spring for you.

Fly safe all.

[X-Savior]

Thunder as a dispatcher then getting upgraded to the 208 is a good route. Several guys just made the move and it was less then a year. You write your own ticket at Thunder if you are motivated. Plus no bond from what I understand if you go that route. Pretty good deal for an ultra low timer.

[hadiiz]

My company, NWO Air, is hiring exactly one wannabe rampie. The job goes to the best response in this thread....

Not only a golden opportunity to be a slave, but a chance to grovel for the privilege! What a deal!
Fifty thousand for a CPL, MEIFR, and you get to crawl on you hands and knees for the chance to be a loader! Where DO I sign up? Class act? Not so much.
Illya

Brilliant! My sentiments exactly.

[kenataptn]

G'day Bede

Were you at Thunder when Bob Grant was there?

Cheers...Chris

No, I don't know that name. I was there from 01-05

I flew a couple flights as Bob`s co-pilot at Thunder in 97/98. Great pilot and I learned a lot from him...shooting an approach into Ogoki Post in fairly heavy snow sticks in my mind...with Bob "vectoring" me. That was my 1st approach to mins. Do you remember Gary Coughlin? He was 703 CP when I was there. I lost track of him and would love to hear from him. Last I heard he was at Perimeter a couple years back.

In regards to the OPs question...Transwest Airlines hires rampies...and they run a ground school every spring. Its 12-18 months to the right seat of a King Air, DHC6, Saab, or the PA31. The nice part is you do get some choice in which direction you wish to take your career. i.e. If you see floats/bush for your career, you`d bid the twotter, and if you were looking airlines, you bid the King airs or Saab...or even the HO just to get flying. The program works very well at TWA IMHO. The pay is well above min wage and they throw in free housing/Sat Tv/Internet etc at their northern bases. It would be worth sending them a resume.

Illya...we have agreed to disagree on this topic. I don't feel that earning a seat in a million dollar airplane is that far fetched an idea. Yes we paid a lot of $$$ for our licences, but there is nothing wrong with some good old fashioned "paying your dues". It happens in ALL industries. Apprentice mechanics wash parts for the 1st year or so. Newly minted doctors work 30 hour shifts in the ER. New lawyers become public defenders or "duty council" for the 1st few years. Its really quite common in all industries. There is nothing wrong with proving your work ethic to your employer and earning his or her trust to fly his or her very expensive machines. It worked for many airlines and even 2 I know of that you worked for in the past. It isn't as degrading as you seem to think it is old friend. I did split duty my 1st year...got lucky and got a 206 on floats as a 1st gig, but still built docks and s*hit houses when the props weren't turning...and I was paid mileage and no base. But I still enjoyed that entire season in YRL (and got over 350 hours while I was at it)!

Good luck to the OP on your search. Things are really starting to move in the industry right now, so some spots could open up long before spring for you.

Fly safe all.

This is for flyinthebug. can you email me kjackson (at) aptn (dot) ca.