DOES THIS RENEW MY GROUP 1? PLS HELP

[alwayswannafly]

Good morning AvCan!

Just a quick recap I'm a Canadian CPL holder with a Group 1 (Group 1 checkride was July last year) so per the CARs I have exactly 2 years to renew my Group 1, and if it goes to 4 years I will have to do both the checkride and the INRAT again.

However I also hold an FAA CPL and recently did an A320 PIC Initial Training in Florida. It was an initial type rating checkride for the A320 conducted by an FAA examiner. The Flight Test Report is named ''Pilot Proficiency Check'' and the course name is PIC Initial Training A320. There's a box where the examiner ticked FAR 61.58. In the end the A320 type rating was added to my FAA licence (not limited to P2).

I got in touch with a TC inspector and was told that the FAA type rating checkride mentioned above would allow me to renew my group 1 as long as it meets part 121 or 135 in the US. And this is where I'm confused there's no where on my A320 PPC report that mentions 121 or 135. But only a ticked box that says FAR 61.58.

Does anyone on the board know if my checkride meets the requirement of either part 121 or 135? Because it would save me a lot of money by not having to comeback to Canada to renew my Group 1. I'm planning to return but not yet.

I thank you for your time and happy landings!
alwayswannafly

[Big Pistons Forever]

61.58 — Pilot-in-command proficiency check: Operation of aircraft requiring more than one pilot flight crewmember.

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, to serve as pilot in command of an aircraft that is type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember, a person must—
(1) Within the preceding 12 calendar months, complete a pilot-in-command proficiency check in an aircraft that is type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember; and

(2) Within the preceding 24 calendar months, complete a pilot-in-command proficiency check in the particular type of aircraft in which that person will serve as pilot in command.

(b) This section does not apply to persons conducting operations under subpart K of part 91, part 121, 125, 133, 135, or 137 of this chapter, or persons maintaining continuing qualification under an Advanced Qualification program approved under subpart Y of part 121 of this chapter.

(c) The pilot-in-command proficiency check given in accordance with the provisions of subpart K of part 91, part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter may be used to satisfy the requirements of this section.

It would appear that the answer to your question is no, in accordance with Para 2B. However the best thing to do is ask TC directly.

[alwayswannafly]

Mr. Big Pistons Forever,

Thank you for your swift response! I didn't expect an answer til later in the day as it's midnight here in Asia. Forgive me for my limited english but Para 2C seems to suggest that doing a 121/135 ride would also meet the requirements of 61.58 so wouldn't the 61.58 ride also fullfill the requirements of 121/135?

Thank you very much for your time,
alwayswannafly

[Bede]

How much did that type rating set you back?

[alwayswannafly]

It costed me like 15k. 10.5 for the course, 1.5k for accomodation, 1.5k for flight tickets since I had to fly to the US from Asia and the rest is food.
It was hardest course I've done because the complexity of the airplane and the short time frame.

[FighterPilot]

So who are you flying for now?

[Big Pistons Forever]

Mr. Big Pistons Forever,

Thank you for your swift response! I didn't expect an answer til later in the day as it's midnight here in Asia. Forgive me for my limited english but Para 2C seems to suggest that doing a 121/135 ride would also meet the requirements of 61.58 so wouldn't the 61.58 ride also fullfill the requirements of 121/135?

Thank you very much for your time,
alwayswannafly

re para 2c. The way I read it para 2c is if you are flying for a US part 135 or 121 carrier and you do a regular company PPC. You did not do a quote pilot-in-command proficiency check given in accordance with the provisions of subpart K of part 91, part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter unquote, you did a initial type rating under part 61 or 141.

Again I am sure this has come up before so I would direct the question to the TC licensing folks in Ottawa.

[alwayswannafly]

Thank you Big Pistons Forever. A few people have pointed out to me that the 61 and 121 rides are identical in both the standards and flight test items. One is conducted inside an air carrier training facility, the other in a TRTO. I've contacted Mrs. Sharon over in Hamilton and will lay out the two identical checkride guidelines or what they call in the US the PTS. She has been a great inspector since the day I arrived in Canada 2 years ago.

And I'm flying for an airline in my country. The national carrier also offered me a position through an interview last month, the money I have invested, I will get back after my 5 years contract and some more.

The idea of investing in your own TR is not new nor frowned upon in South East Asia. I don't like it but it is the only way to compete with dozens of Europeans and Indians pay to flyers trying to bribe the airlines in my country, but that's another topic in itself.

Alwayswannafly

[timel]

The idea of investing in your own TR is not new nor frowned upon in South East Asia. I don't like it but it is the only way to compete with dozens of Europeans and Indians pay to flyers trying to bribe the airlines in my country, but that's another topic in itself.

Alwayswannafly

Please do feel free to elaborate!

[Navaids]

It's going to take you 5 years to pay back your 15k investment? Where do I sign up?

[alwayswannafly]

You people are absolutely pricks, you come to this thread with no contributions and walked in like you know better than others how it goes in other parts of the world, and for your information, it takes 3 months of flying here to get back what I have invested in the TR and the company r-imburse that at the end of the contract. Anywho thank god I've met friendlier and more supportive Canadians than you when I was there.

Thank you again Mr. Big Pistons Forever. Mods feel free to close the tread I've received an answer from TC, thanks

[rob-air]

It's going to take you 5 years to pay back your 15k investment? Where do I sign up?

In asia they pay 10Ks to fly airbuses, while in Canada, we pay 10Ks to teach on 150's. We have such a better system!