Air Canada interview !!!!

circlingfor69 · Post by **circlingfor69** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:43 pm

whipline,

do you have any idea what types of questions that the interviewers are asking?

whipline · Post by **whipline** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:21 pm

Sorry, I have NO idea.

prop2jet · Post by **prop2jet** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:54 pm

I think Jacques has said it... some people with interviews are showing up unprepared. Folks, if you have a shot at AC - Prepare yourself for anything and everything. If someone on this site gives you the inside scoop and the following week you go in and the questions you prepared for are not the ones being asked of you... well guess what? You are going to end up with the heep they were not impressed by. If on the other hand you prepare yourself from a personal standpoint through to technical knowledge, well you will be prepared. This is not rocket science. This is a carreer move and it is not served up on a silver platter!

There are many books available on pilot interviews - invest some time and cash on these - what goes for one in many ways goes for them all.

LuckyPilot · Post by **LuckyPilot** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:33 pm

To all Jazz pilots, if you come for an interview, don't where your ALPA pin on your lapel.

One candidate recently did, pin coupled with a somewhat unsavery attitude got him exactly what he was asking for! NO JOB OFFER!!

Let the guys/gals who want the job come and interview, don't use it as a forum to vent some past pent up frustrations.

whipline · Post by **whipline** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:13 pm

Here is a question for Jacques. I was just told that half of the intial class has already left and there is only 10 now on course because of the pay. Is this true?

I was also given the new payscale. I believe it used to be around 44,000 for the first year and 49,000 for the second. It is now 38,300 for the first year and 43,474 for the second. Based on flying 80 hrs a month you will have to be with AC 4 years to break 60,000 a year flying FO on the EMJ's or RP's. Is this also correct Jacques?

Brick Head · Post by **Brick Head** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:53 pm

10 this month....14 next.....20-24 per class in September. No one left course.

Flat salary took a 15% hit with everything else. Your numbers look close.

PG pay will change upward every month as the CL65 leaves.

Position Group pay rates for the May and Junel 2005 block months. All RP's and emj FO and RJ FO

Weighted hourly rate
Year Day Night 1/2 D&N
3 58.46 61.08 59.77
4 67.74 72.84 70.29
5 70.86 76.12 73.49
6 74.08 79.52 76.80
7 77.20 82.81 80.01
8 80.45 86.24 83.35
9 83.61 89.57 86.59
10 86.78 92.93 89.86
11 87.84 93.99 90.92
12 88.92 95.06 91.99

320 F0 pay Day/ Night

FO 03 76.80 86.19
FO 04 80.73 90.53
FO 05 84.60 94.79
FO 06 88.58 99.17
FO 07 92.46 103.45
FO 08 96.46 107.84
FO 09 100.37 112.15
FO 10 104.30 116.48
FO 11 105.70 117.88
FO 12 107.13 119.31
FO 13 107.13 119.31
FO 14 107.13

Working 85-88 summer and 77-80 winter.

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:58 pm

Those salarys are the numbers that I heard.

No wonder they are hiring 2500 hour wonders

, the people with real experience making $60-80 k won't bother.

I also find it hard to believe that AC can't find 600 qualified applicants. I happen to know at least 10 bilingual pilots with 5-6000 hours of MPIC turbine and degrees. None have heard $hit, I call BS.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:36 pm

Anyone who would turn AC down based on a low intro pay scale needs to give their head a shake. Short term pain, long term gain my friends.

Cheers.

PS...I'll bother...

whipline · Post by **whipline** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:15 pm

Sorry KAG but I disagree. I'm 32, meaning I would have lots of years at AC but right now I make more then any FO at AC and there is no way on earth I would ever go back to 38,000. I am under no illusion that I will have this job forever but I love where I work, I will be debt free (house/car) in less then a year and after that who know's. That wouldn't happen at AC for at least 10 yrs, 10 yrs that I am not willing to give.

On the other hand if I was 25 and flying a small twin living off a pager AC would still seem like the ultimate Canadian flying job. Its funny how fast your prospective changes. Personally I don't want to live pay cheque to pay cheque anymore.

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:35 pm

Brick,
Is it true that all of the classes so far have been from the pool? Do you know how many jazz / off the street?

Brick Head · Post by **Brick Head** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:37 pm

centerstored wrote:Brick,
Is it true that all of the classes so far have been from the pool? Do you know how many jazz / off the street?

Only one class so far. Mostly pool. No Jazz.

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:52 pm

Can anyone confirm the new requirement for only half the originally estimated 600 pilots due to the fallout of the 777?

Brick Head · Post by **Brick Head** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:59 pm

centerstored wrote:Can anyone confirm the new requirement for only half the originally estimated 600 pilots due to the fallout of the 777?

Haven't heard that. Heard that AC is acquiring 340's for next summer. All I have heard is full steam ahead.

300 pilots would barely cover retirements for two years.

40 ish emj 190's not on the bid yet plus 340's for next year plus 100 plus retirements a year plus we are short staffed to begin with.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:03 pm

Whipline

I have not heard of anyone leaving the course. I just got an email from ACPA saying that the class sizes will increase to 20-24 or so beginning in September.

I haven't heard of any reduction in pay either. Whatever the contract dated back in 2003 is the last I heard. If there was to be a reduction in pay, it would have had to have been ratified by the pilot group.

As for 2500 hour wonders, Like I said earlier, there are 2 guys from Westjet ( these guys are interesting but that is another story!) as well as a 767 Capt from Zoom on course right now along with one guy from Jazz and some from CMA. For the most part, well qualified.

I don't know about you but as far as starting salaries go, I have always had to take a step back to make two forward in this industry. I took a pay cut to get here but now I am making double what I was before and I am only an Embraer skipper.

The hiring requirement is now 370 until the 777 deal is worked out. Or so I have been told by the training department.

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:11 pm

Great info guys,

Can someone clarify the lou 18. Some say that this lou is no longer valid or in existance after the CCAA. Others still refer to it. What is the real deal? Thanks in advance.

whipline · Post by **whipline** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:54 am

Thanks for the info Jacques. I obvioulsy know about taking pay cuts moving from company to company. I have worked for 7 companies and counting. My point is I am tired of going backwards and I enjoy where I work. I have a great shedule, work with great people and make good money. And to be blunt I am worth more then 38,000, that money is an insult. Plus I don't think the 340 skippers (if I was a RP) would enjoy me asking why they make 200,000 more then me.

A330 · Post by **A330** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:14 am

Whipline,

I would give that some serious thought......just ask one of about 300 pilots from C3? Unless you're in your 40's, I would get in there.

Just a thought...

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:06 pm

Whipline

I hear ya man! You are worth much more than 38 grand! That is why I hated the 777 deal as it would have increased the pay group.

If you love where you are and make a decent living doing it then I would say that you have succeeded in your career.

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:14 pm

Brickhead,
I heard they were getting rid of the 340 due to maintenance costs&range not being as advertised. This was before the deal fell through though. Do you think they went ffrom phase out 340s to getting more? What if they put an order in again though?

Brick Head · Post by **Brick Head** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:53 pm

centerstored wrote:Great info guys,

Can someone clarify the lou 18. Some say that this lou is no longer valid or in existance after the CCAA. Others still refer to it. What is the real deal? Thanks in advance.

Lou is still in existence. It has now been gutted to require no hiring from Jazz. This doesn't mean they can't hire from jazz just that there is no longer a contractual requirement to do so with in ACPA contract.

Bede,

Who knows what AC will do in the long run. They are before the CIRB as we speak trying to force a revote. That tells me the deal isn't done. My point was only to illustrate that AC's hiring has not changed with the purchase order possibly dead. They have said they will if necessary bring in used 340's.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:41 pm

Crew Planning just finished up their pilot requirement for the next year and it should be posted shortly.

Like Brick Head said, the company is in front of the CIRB trying to get a revote, so I don't know how Mr. Fauteux has put his plan together but they should have some up to date numbers shortly.

orlando-pilot · Post by **orlando-pilot** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:08 am

I will be posting my interview feedback at http://www.aviationinterviews.com
It will be done in one hour

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:53 am

Hey Orlando

Did we meet the other day in the parking lot? You were flying for Delta Connection in Orlando and looking to get back to Canada? You were asking where the interviews were being held so you wouldn't be late.

orlando-pilot · Post by **orlando-pilot** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:48 am

My interview feedback is posted... go to this link to register. It may take a few hours to be up on the webiste but you can register in the meantime and asked to be notified about new AC feedback.

http://www.aviationinterviews.com/pilotregister.php

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:50 am

Just had a good chat with Orlando on the phone. He has taken the time to post as much info about the interview process on aviationinterviews.com

If you are serious about AC, I would suggest you check it out.

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