Dornier on floats
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Dornier on floats
A geologist friend, formally with Imperial Oil was in one of these Dornier's in the High Artic when they had an incident on landing. Not sure of any other details of the incident, but does anyone have any experience with them or who operated them in Canada?
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Wheeler-Northland - Cranson Lake PQ -- just over the river from Pembroke - in fact that picture might even be from there
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There is something about ugly airplanes that I just love. Cool picture!
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One used to operate from the dock at Vancouver International when I was there in the early to mid-70's .... might have been on trial for Harrison Airways, but I'm far from sure.
Supposedly had good performance, but a bugger to dock in the conditions and places around the coast.
Supposedly had good performance, but a bugger to dock in the conditions and places around the coast.
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I vaguely remember one in Inuvik operating off the river in the 60's but I was knee high to a mosquito so I don't recall who was operating it I just remember how ugly it was.
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Remember seeing one in Redditt, believe it was operating out of Red Lake in the 70s. Pilot told me that forgetting the trim on TO could be fatal, otherwise a good AC.
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It looks like a Beaver and a Piper Apache decided to do something they both regretted later.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself
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This aircraft may have had the incident at the Hoodoo Dome airstrip on Ellef Ringnes Island
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We've all had one of those nights
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Re: Dornier on floats
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IIRC Hamilton Aviation ( The Late Don Hamilton of Airspray) in Edmonton was one of - or the only distributor for the Dornier Aircraft back in the late 50s and 60s.
Production list for the DO 28 aircraft here;
http://www.siai-marchetti.nl/do28.html
There seem to be 4 aircraft that might fit your profile
CF-PIY c/n 3039 - crashed Charlie Lake
15 - June - 1971
But I don't think that is far enough north to be called the "High Arctic"
CF-PIZ c/n 3061 - crashed Resolute Bay
6 - August - 1964 - so is probably a bit early???
CF-BBL - c/n 3068 - crashed Stanwell-Fletcher Lake - "Somerset Island"
2 - June - 1974
and CF-SPL c/n 3072 - crashed Ellef Ringnes Island
18 - June - 1971
I could find no information further to BBL but did find a couple of info links (1 with reference to SPL crash) that you might like.
It seems no pilots were thrilled to fly this aircraft - seems small wheels and muddy rough strips don't combine well. Loved the bit about the insurance adjuster from Calgary!!
http://www.michenerawards.ca/english/re ... ontier.pdf
http://www.pilotweb.aero/features/flyin ... _1_3178910
This was the norm for those of us working in the arctic at the time!! I was a young AME for my time there but remember a lot of what was in the last article - especially the bit about the Twin Otters doing fuel caches. One of the things that always amazed me was the amount of fixed wing guys that thought the fuel caches were always for them!! In many cases we would be caching for helicopters with no thought for possible use by fixed wing aircraft. Was always interesting when a fixed wing aircraft would arrive low on fuel and land in some really tight spot (think helicopter landing area and fuel cache) - heavy braking is an understatement - and overboost take-off guaranteed - even after we cleared away some of the bigger rocks!!
Just another day - another job - in a very imperfect world!!
You got very good in a short period of time or you garnered the nickname "CRASH" - (or were very dead!!)
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IIRC Hamilton Aviation ( The Late Don Hamilton of Airspray) in Edmonton was one of - or the only distributor for the Dornier Aircraft back in the late 50s and 60s.
Production list for the DO 28 aircraft here;
http://www.siai-marchetti.nl/do28.html
There seem to be 4 aircraft that might fit your profile
CF-PIY c/n 3039 - crashed Charlie Lake
15 - June - 1971
But I don't think that is far enough north to be called the "High Arctic"
CF-PIZ c/n 3061 - crashed Resolute Bay
6 - August - 1964 - so is probably a bit early???
CF-BBL - c/n 3068 - crashed Stanwell-Fletcher Lake - "Somerset Island"
2 - June - 1974
and CF-SPL c/n 3072 - crashed Ellef Ringnes Island
18 - June - 1971
I could find no information further to BBL but did find a couple of info links (1 with reference to SPL crash) that you might like.
It seems no pilots were thrilled to fly this aircraft - seems small wheels and muddy rough strips don't combine well. Loved the bit about the insurance adjuster from Calgary!!
http://www.michenerawards.ca/english/re ... ontier.pdf
http://www.pilotweb.aero/features/flyin ... _1_3178910
This was the norm for those of us working in the arctic at the time!! I was a young AME for my time there but remember a lot of what was in the last article - especially the bit about the Twin Otters doing fuel caches. One of the things that always amazed me was the amount of fixed wing guys that thought the fuel caches were always for them!! In many cases we would be caching for helicopters with no thought for possible use by fixed wing aircraft. Was always interesting when a fixed wing aircraft would arrive low on fuel and land in some really tight spot (think helicopter landing area and fuel cache) - heavy braking is an understatement - and overboost take-off guaranteed - even after we cleared away some of the bigger rocks!!
Just another day - another job - in a very imperfect world!!
You got very good in a short period of time or you garnered the nickname "CRASH" - (or were very dead!!)
MX
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Re: Dornier on floats
Good day,
The Dornier that is being referred to that crashed was;
Reg. - CF-SPL
Type -Do 28 A
Date: June 17, 1971
Owner / Operator - Northward Airlines
Pilot - Max ( last name intentionally with held)
Location: Malloch Dome per my log book. May of also been called Hoodo Dome?
The aircraft flipped onto it's back on landing. I was also employed by Northward and visited Malloch Dome with our AME on July 14, 1972 for the purpose of seeing what we could salvage. However, the engines and instruments had already been removed and were no where to be found. That is another story.
In 1973 I was again in Malloch Dome and the Dornier had been run over by some heavy equipment and the aircraft was left in the scrap pile.
I only flew the "Doornob" on floats.
DO-28A and B had the same fuselage
DO-28A - Lycoming 0-540, 250 hp, 2 bladed prop
DO-28B - Lycoming IO-540, 290 hp, 3 bladed prop
DO-28C - Proto type
DO-28D - was actually the Skyservant and was a completely different aircraft. Home Oil operated a Skyservant out of Field YYC around
1968 to 1972?
The only Operators that I am familar with who flew the 28A & B were;
Air Exec, Fort St John - CF-PIY, DO 28A. Note - the accident date at Charlie Lake was July 15, 1971.The aircraft was written off. 1 pax with a broked leg, pilot had a broken elbow, other 4 pax ok
Northward Aviation, Edmonton - CF-SPL, DO 28A
Shell Oil, Calgary - ?, DO 28B
Regards,
Flaps 78
The Dornier that is being referred to that crashed was;
Reg. - CF-SPL
Type -Do 28 A
Date: June 17, 1971
Owner / Operator - Northward Airlines
Pilot - Max ( last name intentionally with held)
Location: Malloch Dome per my log book. May of also been called Hoodo Dome?
The aircraft flipped onto it's back on landing. I was also employed by Northward and visited Malloch Dome with our AME on July 14, 1972 for the purpose of seeing what we could salvage. However, the engines and instruments had already been removed and were no where to be found. That is another story.
In 1973 I was again in Malloch Dome and the Dornier had been run over by some heavy equipment and the aircraft was left in the scrap pile.
I only flew the "Doornob" on floats.
DO-28A and B had the same fuselage
DO-28A - Lycoming 0-540, 250 hp, 2 bladed prop
DO-28B - Lycoming IO-540, 290 hp, 3 bladed prop
DO-28C - Proto type
DO-28D - was actually the Skyservant and was a completely different aircraft. Home Oil operated a Skyservant out of Field YYC around
1968 to 1972?
The only Operators that I am familar with who flew the 28A & B were;
Air Exec, Fort St John - CF-PIY, DO 28A. Note - the accident date at Charlie Lake was July 15, 1971.The aircraft was written off. 1 pax with a broked leg, pilot had a broken elbow, other 4 pax ok
Northward Aviation, Edmonton - CF-SPL, DO 28A
Shell Oil, Calgary - ?, DO 28B
Regards,
Flaps 78
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Flaps 78
Do you remember "Don Hamilton?" - not the one who owned Airspray but was chief pilot for Northward etc.??
Link to his book here:
http://www.flyingoverloaded.ca/index.html
and here:
http://www.flyingoverloaded.ca/author.html
Link to an upside down Dornier here:
http://www.flyingoverloaded.ca/PhotoGallery1.htm#12
I met him once or twice - and always had problems with figuring out which of the Dons was being talked about when the stories started.
You might be able to identify the aircraft in the photo.
Best regards,
MX
Do you remember "Don Hamilton?" - not the one who owned Airspray but was chief pilot for Northward etc.??
Link to his book here:
http://www.flyingoverloaded.ca/index.html
and here:
http://www.flyingoverloaded.ca/author.html
Link to an upside down Dornier here:
http://www.flyingoverloaded.ca/PhotoGallery1.htm#12
I met him once or twice - and always had problems with figuring out which of the Dons was being talked about when the stories started.
You might be able to identify the aircraft in the photo.
Best regards,
MX
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Hello MX,
Regretfully, I do not know the Don Hamilton that you are referring to. I did enjoy the "links" and wish that I cold write like him. The DO-28 on her back looks like SPL. I only met Mr. O'bryan once when I was a yong sprog at the Ft. Smith foat base in 1969. Buffalo's DC-3'S etc came later.
The CP that hired me at Northward was Doug Mackie (deceased). Doug left Northward to work for the NWT gov't as a Flight Safety Officer. He was replaced at Northward in late 1972 by Rocky Parsons.
Regards,
Flaps 78
Regretfully, I do not know the Don Hamilton that you are referring to. I did enjoy the "links" and wish that I cold write like him. The DO-28 on her back looks like SPL. I only met Mr. O'bryan once when I was a yong sprog at the Ft. Smith foat base in 1969. Buffalo's DC-3'S etc came later.
The CP that hired me at Northward was Doug Mackie (deceased). Doug left Northward to work for the NWT gov't as a Flight Safety Officer. He was replaced at Northward in late 1972 by Rocky Parsons.
Regards,
Flaps 78
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Tradewinds operated CF-WAB off the river in YVR in the early 70s. We had WAB at Parsons Airways in Flin Flon in the mid 70s for a couple of seasons. A different airplane, but certainly a good performer.One used to operate from the dock at Vancouver International when I was there in the early to mid-70's .... might have been on trial for Harrison Airways, but I'm far from sure.
Supposedly had good performance, but a bugger to dock in the conditions and places around the coast.
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A link to some Dornier information.
http://www.airplanemart.com/aircraft-hi ... -DO28.html
A link to some Dornier information.
http://www.airplanemart.com/aircraft-hi ... -DO28.html
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Didn't realize they did both a Walter turbine, a Lycoming turbine, and a PT-6 Conversion!!!
Looks like a cool aircraft for skydivers!!!
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contribut ... /10303.htm
Mx
Edit to add Lycoming turbine
Looks like a cool aircraft for skydivers!!!
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contribut ... /10303.htm
Mx
Edit to add Lycoming turbine
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Got a ride in the Skyservant. Was the first one in Canada. On a demo tour. , D-IBUL summer of 1967(?) . WOW, a real performer but I was only 17 at the time and every plane was a great performer. Fatal crash later that summer.
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FIFT operated a Dornier as a Bird dog for the Mars for 1 season. It was not well received as it was not fast enough as well as the visibility down was not great for the pilot. The airplane was sold and ended up in the States.
Air Nootka in Gold River operated one as well for a short while it ended up in Nevada.
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Air Nootka in Gold River operated one as well for a short while it ended up in Nevada.
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The airplane in the pic is either CF-WAN or CF-WAM, I can't quite make out the reg. Anyway, Wheeler Northland Airways imported three of them in 1963 or 1964, WAL, WAM and WAN. WAM was thrown over on it's back landing on the grass on floats before changeover, and WAL was wrecked during a test flight after the ailerons were cross rigged during an inspection. Both wrecks were stored at the Aircraft Industries hangar in St. Jean, south of Montreal. When Wheeler folded, Northern Wings wound up with the only flyable one, plus the two wrecks. In 1970 or 1971, Northern Wings trucked the remains of both airplanes to the Quebecair hangar in Montreal and Bill Gallichon rebuilt WAM using parts from both it and WAL. Wings sold both airplanes out west somewhere a couple of years later when they changed their name to Regionair and got rid of the bush division.
Beechnut, if you're talking to Eddy Williams he used to fly them for Northern Wings before he went out west, he'd know which one went where probably. Happy New Year to you too buddy.
Beechnut, if you're talking to Eddy Williams he used to fly them for Northern Wings before he went out west, he'd know which one went where probably. Happy New Year to you too buddy.