friggin' float time! ARG!

rightseatwonder · Post by **rightseatwonder** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:35 pm

Hey folks,

Just wanted to get soem opinions on my situation....

over 4000 hrs of dhc-6 time ALLLLLLL of it floats...I have the ifr rating but no atpl (night time arg!)

So im obviously looking for an ifr job asap to hopfully catch the tail end (at best) of this wave over the next few years if all goes well....so heres the question,

with the time i have (ie. the 2000 multi turbine pic), how much time must I have in the ifr environment to be considered a suitable applicant with applicable experience for say WJ and AC?

thanks all for your .02
rsw

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:22 pm

I know a guy that applied at WJ with about 7000 hours, a couple of heavy endorsements and about 500 hours instrument time with quite a few internal references. He never got an interview because they they were worried about his low instrument hours. They have since lowered the total time requirements so not sure today. Hope this helps!

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:21 pm

500 hours of actual instrument time, low?? I mean, ACTUAL on the guages, hand flying, in the clag? Low? They're morons! All you guys running around logging IFR time while the ship is on auto-pilot, DO NOT HAVE 500 hours of "hanging on to her IMC".....NO WAY!!! You're all so full of crap, it makes me laugh! You're all logging actual time in cruise. This guy with 500 IR hours, and two heavy types was logging his hard IR time. And 500 of his 7000 hours would be 1 in 14.......seems pretty high to me! He had to have some bush time, or instructing time in his log. So, his 500 actual IR time logged would more like 1 in 10, assuming he had 2000 hours before he started his IFR flying? And I know I dont spend an hour out of every ten in clouds....well, I'm in the clouds most of the time..but not always in an airplane!
I dont think I've got 500 hours of "hanging on to her, in the clag, no auto-pilot" time....and I "double dog" guarantee I've shot as many approaches as most of you!!

jimmyjazz · Post by **jimmyjazz** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:37 pm

Doc in the log book it says IFR thats rules not IMC they are two different things, it pisses me off when people ask for your IFR time and then say no way couldn't be, if you want IMC time ask for IMC not IFR.
Regards

Indian Joe · Post by **Indian Joe** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:51 am

Well in my log book it says instrument conditions and then goes on to list the various sub-columns, ie simulator, simulated, simulator. A private student as I recall needs 5 hours of instrument time which goes in the log book. None of that will be following IFR.

A separate argument is that of logging cloud time spent on the auto-pilot reading a book. I am a little delinquent in that I don't start a time when I enter a cloud and stop it on leaving. This time is never logged. When I go to make a personal log entry a month later, how can I remember if I was in a cloud. The only ones I remember are memorable, ie appr to mins, missed apprchs or substantial diversions for wx. If I didn't do something along those lines I guess the auto-pilot is logging it.

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:25 am

Wow, sounds like this is going to turn into the almighy, when do you log and what is actual IFR time to log.
Oh well seems every topic starts some sort of arguement these days.

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:57 am

Doc here lies the problem. Some guys who are only logging actual IMC time could potentially lose out on a great career ahead of some pilot who has logged Instrument time from the time the master switch gets turned on. Actually the guy had in the high 400's but lost out because had he of logged every minute of every IFR trip he ever did he would have had a couple of thousand hours of IFR time in his log book.

The problem I have with it, is it is such a grey area and peoples careers are being affected by it more so now than ever because of internet based applications and interview selection solely based on that internet generated application.

My advice to any young pilot is log the total hours for any IFR trip in your logbook as instrument time. No one can ever look in your log book and question whether an IFR trip you did 3 years ago was done totally in cloud or on a CAVU day. That way you can be sure you won't get lost in the shuffle.

Flying Newf · Post by **Flying Newf** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:22 am

I was told that some of the airlines look for approx 10% of your total as Instrument. 2000 TT 200 actual, any highter you are lying. If Wj is judging people with 500 as to low WTF???

TopperHarley · Post by **TopperHarley** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:55 am

I am not experienced in this area at all, but this is how I am planning to log the time once it becomes an issue:

- if we file IFR but it is VMC, then I plan to log the *air time* as instrument time (hood time).
- if we file IFR and it is actually IMC, then I plan to log the *air time* as actual instrument time.
- if only part of the flight is actually IMC, then I will make an estimate on how much to log as hood and how much to log as actual.

To me, this just seems to be the easiest way of doing things. Throughout my instrument training and my IFR ride, I always only logged the air time as instrument time. I'm not sure if this is the best way of doing it, but I think it is the right way.

rightseatwonder · Post by **rightseatwonder** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:09 am

holy thread hijack batman!

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:29 am

Flying Newf wrote:I was told that some of the airlines look for approx 10% of your total as Instrument.

Hey, that works!! That's about exactly right for me.

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:30 am

C-HRIS wrote:- if we file IFR but it is VMC, then I plan to log the *air time* as instrument time (hood time).

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:29 am

I've always felt guilty about logging "imc" while reading a good book! If I'm ever asked (since I dont use the ifr, or the cross country coloums in my log book) I just reply that all my flying is IFR and cross-country! What do you think I fly?.....Circuits??