dash8 classic question

[T1040]

Scenerio,
yvr-ylw, 300 series, 50 pax,plus lots of extra bags. Wx in yvr or yyc suitable as ifr alt. Would that produce a w&b issue to preclude a jumpseater?

[BingBong]

Scenerio,
yvr-ylw, 300 series, 50 pax,plus lots of extra bags. Wx in yvr or yyc suitable as ifr alt. Would that produce a w&b issue to preclude a jumpseater?

Short answer yes...long answer, don't bitch cause you didn't get the jump. Generally we always try to make it work as best we can. Personally I always go the extra mile to leave no one behind regardless of who you work for.

[Beaver2509]

No the classic is typically nose heavy forward c of g. Typically the only time we have an issue on the dash is a full load of people with no or little bags. The more bags in the back the better it is for a jump seater. On half empty flights it's very common to have to move passengers rearward to stay in the envelope.

Cheers

[airway]

No the classic is typically nose heavy forward c of g. Typically the only time we have an issue on the dash is a full load of people with no or little bags. The more bags in the back the better it is for a jump seater. On half empty flights it's very common to have to move passengers rearward to stay in the envelope.

Cheers

Beaver,

I don't know how much time you have in the DH8-300 classic, but when you have 50 people and full bags, there is occasionally a over weight issue (usually exceeding the Maximum Zero Fuel Weight, but sometimes the Maximum T/O Weight, depending on which tail you are in, and how much fuel you have). This might happen to me a couple of times aweek. In this case the contingent passengers come off first (or are not boarded), starting with the jump, then we start removing bags, until we are as close to the limit as possible.

[countryhick]

My first guess would be zero fuel weight. Weather/alternate issues could also be at play.
We do our best to make it work, but sometimes it simply won't.

[Beach 200]

Depending when, but this time of year Jazz and other operators are using winter weights.

Also typically a breakdown could get you in the jump, but if it's all or more than half male pax. There's little chance it can work.

[teacher]

Depending when, but this time of year Jazz and other operators are using winter weights.

Also typically a breakdown could get you in the jump, but if it's all or more than half male pax. There's little chance it can work.

Correct

My first guess would be zero fuel weight. Weather/alternate issues could also be at play.
We do our best to make it work, but sometimes it simply won't.

I've had to bump bags on a 30 minute flight with 50 pax and tons of bags due to the zero fuel weight being exceeded.

[plhought]

All other sorts of variables as well with different Gross Weights for -300/311/315s, no APU or APU, ditching dam installed/not installed etc etc.

[ettw]

What is a ditching damn?

ETTW

[wemac]

Balance - very rarely, if the aircraft is full requiring the use of J/S there almost never a C of G issue.
Weight -301 series Dash, quite common (zero fuel and T/O weight) especially when using winter weights Dec 15 -Mar 15
- 311 series not as limiting but may occur (have higher zero fuel and T/O weights )
-314 series almost never (highest T/O weight)

Jazz operates all three of these Dash 8 series aircraft making J/S availability unreliable.
If you are the Air Canada pilot recently left behind the other night in VR in the situation described I was likely the operating crew. In that instance, knowing the flight was oversold with 5 cons I approached the agent prior to boarding stating that J/S would be most likely be available (311 series that night). But owing to many expidited bags requiring lift we were just 38 lbs under our zero fuel weight.(male/female breakdown already calculated to maximize load).
As a commuter myself, I know the value of accessing the J/S and the frustration of being left behind on the last flight out of town. In this instance every effort was made to get you on but unfotunately were unable.

[plhought]

A ditching dam in an inflatable little neoprene dam-thing that inflates on the exterior and below the underwing emergency exits.

It's supposed to help keep the water out in the event of ditching. There's a 2000 lb MTOW penalty if they are inactive/removed. Has to do with the waterline I suppose.

[rooster]

Scenerio,
yvr-ylw, 300 series, 50 pax,plus lots of extra bags. Wx in yvr or yyc suitable as ifr alt. Would that produce a w&b issue to preclude a jumpseater?

Short answer yes...long answer, don't bitch cause you didn't get the jump. Generally we always try to make it work as best we can. Personally I always go the extra mile to leave no one behind regardless of who you work for.

hey ding dong, I didn't see anyone bitching. He was asking a question, and whether it was because he was bumped or not does not matter. He was curious and asked in a very appropriate way.


carry on

[BingBong]

If he/she wasn't bitching he/she never would have brought it up. Missed the flight, have a beer, try the next one.

[av8ts]

I commute and have been left behind a few times because I work for the "other" company. Maybe he just wanted to know if it was a w&b issue or if the Capt. was an ***hole

[BingBong]

I commute and have been left behind a few times because I work for the "other" company. Maybe he just wanted to know if it was a w&b issue or if the Capt. was an ***hole

That gate swings both ways too many times unfortunately. IMO a pilot is a pilot is a pilot and ANYONE with a CPL/ATPL should have access to the jump. It's the only thing left that we can actually control.