Here goes,
As I'm presently laid-off ("laid-off" means fired at AllCanada Express) my IFR just expired on July 1. Now, since I've had one employer or another flip the bill for recurrent training over the past few years, you can imagine my joy at the prospect of draining my already depleated bank account for a renewal.
So my question to anyone in the know is this: Would it be acceptable to show up for an interview at AC or Jazz in my present condition? Just to be clear I'm talking about the lapsed IFR not my blood alcohol level. That was already covered in another thread.
Now I'm not talking about showing up next January without a current rating but what about the short term?
seriously. the man has a point. why would you go out and spend $1500-2000 for a re-newal if the employer is going to ppc you anyway? does having a current/valid ppc or group one make you more "hireable"? we're talking one that would have expired 5 months ago.
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your a fool! Wake up and start thinking.
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avcanada
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I also need to renew my Group 1 and am dreading the expense.
I wish TC would adopt the FAA way of renewing your instrument rating, which is by using a flight instructor to do an instrument compency check.
The rating in my opinion should be good for life and only have currency requirements to maintain. If you can not maintain your currency then you would need to do a check with an instructor who if he felt you had the skill, would provide you with an endorsement.
What do you guys do when you are flying out of the country for years? Is anyone aware of any policy to renew your Group 1 based on currency maintained under a foreign instrument rating?
I wish TC would adopt the FAA way of renewing your instrument rating, which is by using a flight instructor to do an instrument compency check.
The rating in my opinion should be good for life and only have currency requirements to maintain. If you can not maintain your currency then you would need to do a check with an instructor who if he felt you had the skill, would provide you with an endorsement.
What do you guys do when you are flying out of the country for years? Is anyone aware of any policy to renew your Group 1 based on currency maintained under a foreign instrument rating?
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twotterdriver
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I talked to TC about renewing my expired Class I last time I was in Saskatoon. They said, with a valid american IFR I was exempt from having to do the INRAT written, but still had to do a flight test.
My american IFR is kept current by my 135 checkrides every 4 months or so. We staggered the aircraft types I fly so I get to do a ride 3 times a year. Yeah!
Gord
My american IFR is kept current by my 135 checkrides every 4 months or so. We staggered the aircraft types I fly so I get to do a ride 3 times a year. Yeah!
Gord
This was a more complex question than I though when I first looked at it!avcanada wrote:I also need to renew my Group 1 and am dreading the expense...
...Is anyone aware of any policy to renew your Group 1 based on currency maintained under a foreign instrument rating?
You have to do the flight test. No way around that.
"(1) An applicant for the renewal of an instrument rating shall successfully complete the flight test referred to in paragraph 421.46(2)(c)."
However... you can get around the written test requirements, but there are some hoops!!
"(4) An applicant who holds a Canadian Commercial Pilot Licence or Airline Transport Pilot Licence and whose instrument rating expired more than 24 months before the date of application, shall be considered to have met the INRAT examination requirement, provided that the applicant:
(a) holds a Commercial Pilot Licence or Airline Transport Pilot Licence issued by a Contracting State;
(b) holds an instrument rating issued by a Contracting State; and
(c) successfully completes, within the 12 months preceding the date of application, an instrument flight test while working for hire or reward in a commercial operation while outside of Canada, and provides the Minister with a copy of the foreign flight test record"
So what does this really mean? This assumes you either have never held a Canadian Instruemnt rating or it has not been valid for more than 24 months-- if you do have a VALID US Instrument Rating, you must have completed the US flight test within the previous 12 months (and provide a copy of the flight test card to prove it) in order to be exempt from the written exam.
The CARs reference is here:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... htm#421_49
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When I was a CP, I hired two guys that had the dreaded line through their IFR. The first said nothing but sucked up to the boss. The other was forthright anf I knew about the failure before the interview. But you are correct in that the IFR will be renewed with the PPC and if I were still able to do hiring, I would not even look twice about a time expired IFR. I would suggest you be up front and ask the question if possible or mention it in the interview. When the company was ready to upgrade some rampies, I told them point blank to not waste the money on a renewal that I was going to renew anyway.
The average pilot, despite the somewhat swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring.
These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
I think it also depends on what stage you are at in your career and what type of job you are expecting to get hired on for. If it is a 703 right seat position (read PCC) there will in all likelihood be no ride done that will renew your IFR, the position more times than not will only require a few hours of training as outlined in the company ops manual and the thumbs up by the company check pilot to say yup he competent. Wham bam you’re in the right seat and flying revenue trips for the company. No current IFR and you are of no use to them, I think you will find very few operators willing to spend the money on training and a PPC ride just to accommodate an applicant that didn’t have the basic qualifications (read valid IFR) for the position.
funny, i just found one that told me not bother re-newing my group 1. he said "don't bother, we have to train you anyway, save your money."
i guess those that are referring to me as a fool for asking such a question must be instructors or flight school owners who are disappointed they won't get my cash.
i guess those that are referring to me as a fool for asking such a question must be instructors or flight school owners who are disappointed they won't get my cash.
I think you will find very few operators willing to spend the money on training and a PPC ride just to accommodate an applicant that didn’t have the basic qualifications (read valid IFR) for the position
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your a fool! Wake up and start thinking.
I don't recall saying or even hinting you were a fool...and I don't fall into any of the categories you listed. I have 20 years invested into this industry and suspect I have forgotten more than you have learned. It would appear you fall outside of my parameters and are being hired for something that requires a PPC to operate. On the assumption that you do not have a valid PPC on the aircraft type a ride is a requirement, the company does not incur any additional expenses in the training process as the ride is part of it. Provided its an IFR ride and you pass you’re IFR is current again. Like I said in my previous preamble...it depends on what stage of the game you are at.If it is a 703 right seat position (read PCC) there will in all likelihood be no ride done that will renew your IFR, the position more times than not will only require a few hours of training as outlined in the company ops manual and the thumbs up by the company check pilot to say yup he competent.
