Approach Ban CYFB with OPs SPEC 503

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Approach Ban CYFB with OPs SPEC 503

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I was hoping someone could clarify the approach ban for the ILS to runway 34 in Iqaluit. Advisory visibility is RVR 4000 or 3/4 sm. Now if a 705 operator has the Ops Spec 503 that allows use of the 50% approach ban minima, couldn't the pilots shoot the approach down to 2600 RVR? I recently heard several aircraft divert due to RVR being too low at 2600 ft. Are aircraft's not able to utilize the lower approach ban table at YFB because of a lack of runway centreline lights?
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Re: Approach Ban CYFB with OPs SPEC 503

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I thought that RVR numbers mean nothing north of 60 when determining possible approach ban?
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Re: Approach Ban CYFB with OPs SPEC 503

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north of 60 only means ground visibility figures do not impose an approach ban. I think if RVR is reported, regardless where geographically, it will impose a ban.
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Re: Approach Ban CYFB with OPs SPEC 503

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Alright I think I answered my own question
(4) No person shall continue a CAT I precision approach to a runway with centreline lighting or a CAT I precision approach in an aeroplane equipped with a HUD unless
(a) the air operator is authorized to do so in its air operator certificate;
(b) in the case of an aeroplane not equipped with a HUD,
(i) if the flight crew does not use pilot-monitored-approach procedures, the pilot-in-command and the second-in-command are qualified to conduct a CAT II precision approach,
(ii) the aeroplane is equipped with
(A) a flight director and autopilot capable of conducting a coupled precision approach to 200 feet AGL or lower, or
(B) if the flight crew uses pilot-monitored-approach procedures, a flight director capable of conducting a precision approach to 200 feet AGL or lower, and
(iii) the runway is equipped with serviceable high-intensity approach lighting, high-intensity runway centreline lighting and high-intensity runway edge lighting;
(c) in the case of an aeroplane equipped with a HUD capable of conducting a precision approach to 200 feet AGL or lower,
(i) the pilot-in-command and the second-in-command are qualified to conduct a CAT II precision approach,
(ii) the aeroplane is equipped with a flight director and autopilot capable of conducting a coupled precision approach to 200 feet AGL or lower, and
(iii) the runway is equipped with serviceable high-intensity approach lighting and high-intensity runway edge lighting; and
(d) a visibility report indicates that
(i) the visibility is equal to or greater than that set out in subsection (1),
(ii) the RVR is varying between distances less than and greater than the minimum RVR set out in subsection (1), or
(iii) the visibility is less than the minimum visibility set out in subsection (1) and, at the time the visibility report is received, the aeroplane has passed the FAF inbound or, where there is no FAF, the point where the final approach course is intercepted.
Looks like you need HUD and CAT II training if the aerodrome has no runway centreline lights to utilize the 503 ops spec approach ban table for an ILS
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Re: Approach Ban CYFB with OPs SPEC 503

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I'm amazed that there is still confusion over this -- even north of 60 RVR is king and the lowest RVR at YFB is 3000 with the ops spec -- the high minimums are due to approach lighting - there was talk that Nav Canada was working on a fix for this but that was 3 years ago and now I don't really give a rat's -- :smt040
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Re: Approach Ban CYFB with OPs SPEC 503

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Liquid Charlie wrote:I'm amazed that there is still confusion over this -- even north of 60 RVR is king and the lowest RVR at YFB is 3000 with the ops spec -- the high minimums are due to approach lighting - there was talk that Nav Canada was working on a fix for this but that was 3 years ago and now I don't really give a rat's -- :smt040
Stupid rules...

Transport Canada as usual is way behind the times!

Why can't we just fly to 2600 RVR like in the good old days for commercial ops?

It is totally ridiculous that with the aircrafts we have today and their sophisticated equipment that a CAT I approach is still 200' and 1/2 mile (RVR 2600). Thankfully this does not apply to private ops.

This means a pilot flying a single engine aircraft with basic IFR instruments can start, shoot an approach and land with a lower visibility than the air carrier with a F/D and A/P that can fly down to 80'.

BTW, how do you arrive at 3000 RVR for YFB because I don't have any charts with me?
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Re: Approach Ban CYFB with OPs SPEC 503

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Jet Jockey wrote: BTW, how do you arrive at 3000 RVR for YFB because I don't have any charts with me?
Advisory vis for YFB ILS is RVR 4000/3/4 sm
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