Legal Requirements to fly

[peterparka]

Does anybody know what the legal requirements to fly a Navajo or King air would be? I am asking because there seems to be a huge difference between what I read to be legal required time and knowledge and what employers are requireing. Is a PPC a legal requirement or just common sense?

[groundtoflightdeck]

To fly either 2 crew you would need a CPL and ME, (IATRA (250hrs) or ATPL exams with 750hrs) for King Air. Nothing for the Navajo. In a commercial operation its per the Ops Manual, but a PPC will be required. If its SP IFR in Commercial ops its 1000TT, 100 ME, 50 on Type and 50 IFR. The bare mins are low but I think TC controls the lack of specific mins with rides... ie/ Could a 250hr guy really pass a captain ride on a King Air? On the flip side there are 250hr guys that get Navajo PPCs and go fly as captain.

I could be missing a requirment so I may be corrected.

Cheers.

[sakism]

Captain (2 crew aircraft) - ATPL / PPC
F/O (2 Crew aircraft) - CPL / IATRA (or ATPLs written)/ PPC

Captain (non-2 crew aircraft) - CPL / PPC
F/O (non-2 crew aircraft) - CPL / PCC

Important to note that the requirements pertaining to 2 crew aircraft is according to Transport Canada, not the company Operations Manual. A company can choose to operate their C172 as two crew, but you wouldn't need an ATPL to fly it left seat.

[richpilot]

F/O (non-2 crew aircraft) - CPL / PCC

Why would you have an F/O in a non-2 crew aircraft?

[sakism]

That's the important part.

Transport Canada designates each different aircraft type as needing 1,2 or 3 crew. If they have designated it as more than one crew you need ATPL to fly left seat and ATPL writtens or IATRA to fly right seat.

However, an aircraft that TC has designated as single crew can be flown 2 crew according to company operations manual - hence 2 crew on King Airs, Navajos, etc. To fly left seat you do not need ATPL and to fly right seat you do not need ATPL writtens or IATRA.

[airliner]

if im not mistaken all the king air series except for the 350 are single pilot, and are under 12500lbs (unless in the us 14000lbs). So an ATPL is just a companies way of weeding out the rifraf. a CPL will sufice for eather in most ops.

[airliner]

sakism i agree

[Indian Joe]

The only addition I'll make is that some Be20 and the Be35 are high performance and the f/o will need a type rating. There has been some argument in the past with TC, you will get a different answer depending on which inspector you talk to. ( Hey they have their SOPs too)

Some say you need a current PPC. Others say as long as you have Be 20 on your licence, all you need is a PCC to sit SIC. As I read it, the latter is correct, but I work for a living.

[wha happen]

Why would you have an F/O in a non-2 crew aircraft?

You wouldnt. Technically they would be termed loadmaster or some title like that. single pilot means single pilot. Now being single pilot A/C can the "loadmaster/FO" log the time?

Im just kidding, i know this question has been beaten to death.

Fly safe boys

[Rem]

Why would you have an F/O in a non-2 crew aircraft?

Three reasons that I can think of:

1. Customer mandates it. Ontario MOH requires 2 crew on all aircraft used for medivacs, including the C208

2. A "single pilot" airplane without an autopilot, lighted chart holder etc. can't be flown SPIFR, therefore a copilot is REQUIRED for IFR flight.

3. Safety. 2 crew IFR is statistically way safer than SPIFR.

[Donald]

4. Your co-pilot is also a captain-in-training. Something easier accomplished from the right seat than the ramp.

[sakism]

5. Minimumum Crew - Air Taxi

703.86 No air operator shall operate an aircraft with passengers on board in IFR flight with fewer than two pilots unless the air operator

(a) is authorized to do so in its air operator certificate; and

(b) complies with the Commercial Air Service Standards.

723.86 Minimum Crew

Single Pilot IFR Requirements

The standard for the operation of an aeroplane with passengers on board in IFR flight without a second-in-command is:

(1) the pilot shall have a minimum of 1000 hours of flight time which shall include, if the type to be flown is multi-engined, 100 hours on multi-engined aeroplanes. In addition, the pilot shall have 50 hours of simulated or actual flight in IMC, and a total of 50 hours flight time on the aeroplane type;

(2) the Pilot Proficiency Check shall be in the aeroplane type flown or if applicable in one of the types grouped for Pilot Proficiency Check renewals and shall include the following:

(a) knowledge of the auto-pilot operations and limitations;

(b) performance of normal and emergency procedures without assistance;

(c) passenger briefing with respect to emergency evacuation; and

(d) demonstration of the use of the auto-pilot during appropriate phases of flight;

(3) flight in pressurized aeroplanes shall be conducted at or below FL 250; and

(4) a pilot's single pilot proficiency, if still valid, is transferable between air operators which have an Air Operator Certificate authority to conduct such operations and utilize the same type and model of aeroplane.

[sakism]

6. Minimum Crew - Commuter

704.106 No air operator shall operate an aircraft with fewer than two pilots, where the aircraft

(a) is an aeroplane carrying 10 or more passengers; or

(b) is carrying passengers and is being operated in IFR flight.

[Hey___Pilot]

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