how should I get my 200hrs ?

[love2fly14]

Hi guys, I should be getting my ppl by next month if all is good.
I'm starting to plan in what will be the best way to get my 200hrs and would need some advise.

I have seen ads to rent a 152 block time for 55hr/ dry.
I was also considering buying shares on a plane, but I have a feeling that the price would be very similar to that.

So I'm not sure, or even if there is a better solution ?
How did you guys get to the 200hr?

Thanks

[Prairie Highway]

Are you planning on getting your CPL?

[love2fly14]

Are you planning on getting your CPL?

yes, that is the next goal.

[ahramin]

What part of the country are you in?

[DanWEC]

On floats!!!!!!

[love2fly14]

What part of the country are you in?

Ont, YYB or YSB..
I do not mind travelling.

[love2fly14]

On floats!!!!!!

no floats... unless good opportunities.

[HiFlyChick]

Buying a block of time as opposed to buying a share in an aircraft has the advantage that (assuming you're at a decent size school), if one aircraft goes U/S you can take another.

When I did time building I did some super long and fun cross countries - I highly recommend it! It can be challenging, though, so I would also recommend taking along another pilot (even better, one with more experience).

You should also get your night rating before you go too far, so you don't get caught pushing dark. That being said, be careful about flying after dark in isolated areas and with cloud cover - black hole effect is what got JFK jr (and we had a local crash from the same thing a number of years back). Have the night rating, but be very conservative - a night flight with reduced vis, no stars/moon in a remote area is pretty much the same as flying IMC. On the other hand, no ceiling and a full moon can actually allow you to navigate entirely by land features - I've had the pleasure of a long night cross country like that and it was fun and so pretty.

[Krimson]

What is your goal to get to the 200 hour mark? As cheap as possible, have fun, set up for ATPL, get employed right after, long trips, etc?

[love2fly14]

What is your goal to get to the 200 hour mark? As cheap as possible, have fun, set up for ATPL, get employed right after, long trips, etc?

My initial goal is to get employed, but I seriously, I know it will be hard. Will try my best and use all the resources I have.
Also I want to do it as cheap as possible.

If I'm not able to find work, my next best option is to get instructor rating.

I believe for ATPL, I need to get the CPL and 1500hrs

[Shiny Side Up]

If you're looking to get a CPL, come up with a plan to do it. Don't just go out there flog around and joy ride. I always dread when people show up at my door and say: "I did my ppl ,now I got 200 hours, now how do I get my CPL?" Do that if time and money aren't an object, but since you're shopping for block time, I'm guessing they are.

Go look up the licensing standards, if you're serious, you're going to need to start reading up on the CARs. Then think about what's a logical means of meeting those standards. Learn something, don't just "build time". My personal advice would be to go get a night rating, float rating and a multi rating. Widen your horizon early. Also do your 300 Nautical trip, your homework assignment is to look up the requirements for that.

[glorifieddriver]

I would recommend at least a few weeks of research before any conclusions. Think of your goals for after the CPL. What do you want to do, what type of work will you be after? If you just care to meet most of ATPL requirements, fly at night, cross-country. Get those hours now, so later you will not come up short of ATPL and have to rent that 152 again with 2000TT. If you want to work in the bush, do all your time on a float plane, I have a great school to recommend. I did my training there, and they will let you go solo after your rating. That way you will have a shot at a job after you get your CPL. There really is no formula I guess, it is all up to you and your end goals.

GD

[rob-air]

My initial goal is to get employed, but I seriously, I know it will be hard. Will try my best and use all the resources I have.
Also I want to do it as cheap as possible.

55$ an hour is a good rate

If I'm not able to find work, my next best option is to get instructor rating.

Keep this to yourself. If asked, always say that you have a deep passion for teaching and that the flight instructor route was your first choice.

Challenge yourself on every flight, Have fun and enjoy it....it could be a while until you can fly when you want and where you want again.

[loopa]

What is your goal to get to the 200 hour mark? As cheap as possible, have fun, set up for ATPL, get employed right after, long trips, etc?

My initial goal is to get employed, but I seriously, I know it will be hard. Will try my best and use all the resources I have.
Also I want to do it as cheap as possible.

If I'm not able to find work, my next best option is to get instructor rating.

I believe for ATPL, I need to get the CPL and 1500hrs

Summary of ATPL Requirements;

1500 Total
ATPL Writtens
250 PIC
200 XC
100 Night Total
25 Night Pic XC
75 hours instrument.

Did I miss anything anyone?

So with that in mind. Knock off the 25 hours PIC XC NIGHT during your build up. But as suggested, be smart about where you do it, don't push limits. You also need 100 hours total night. So a good idea to work towards that. In theory you should have no problem logging night flying when you fly for a commercial operator, but you'd be surprised how many people don't log it fast enough and have to wait for their A's for this one reason. You need 250 hours PIC. You will have 100 hours PIC for your CPL requirements. Fly an additional 50 hours PIC so that you don't run into issues later. When time comes to do PIC UNDER SUPERVISION, you can only account for 100 hours. So if you go into a commercial operator as an F/O with 100 hours PIC, and fly 100 PICUS, you still need 50 hours PIC additional bumbling around in a 172. So might as well come out of flight school with 150 hours PIC under your belt so that it doesn't create any issues later on. You need 250 hours anyway to fly in anything that requires an IATRA, so finishing flight school with 250 hours is in my opinion a good idea. Otherwise you're limiting yourself to the non IATRA jobs as a low timer. What's the difference between 200 hours and 250 hours out of flight school? If you don't go the instructor route, you have to spend the cash to fly those extra 50 hours anyway. So get it out of the way now and perhaps get a better block rate since you'd be flying more hours on the plane.

So what should your priorities be in MY opinion?

25 hours pic night xc
150 hours pic
100 hours night (even if you don't get all of it, get a majority of it out of the way).

Great idea about having an experienced pilot beside you. From what I know, most experienced pilot's would kill to sit in a 172 going across the country. It's a lot of fun when flying recreationally!

[love2fly14]

I'm happy that I asked this question, I know there is many ways to go about this, but I also want to do it the right way.
I'm in my late 30, so I definitely do NOT want to do any mistake with time and money....

The fact is I love flying, my career goal would be to fly private jets, corporate clientele.

[glorifieddriver]

That is the end goal. But what is your goal for your first job? Research that first. By the time you are ready for your first corporate job you will have at least 3000 total time and by then you will most likely have all the ATPL requirements.

[Pop n Fresh]

Rats, I thought this was going to be the thread where someone was ready to start paying to fly me around to go fishing while building X-C night pic time.

[cdnpilot77]

Research that first. By the time you are ready for your first corporate job you will have at least 3000 total time and by then you will most likely have all the ATPL requirements.

That is not accurate....from personal experience. The corporate jobs available are for wide experience levels. Making contacts is priority #1 for corporate jobs, having relevant experience would be a close #2, #3 would be not being a total douchebag and knowing how to work with high net worth individuals (or ones that like to portray themselves as such) and #4 would be total hours in the logbook.

I got my first corporate/charter jet job with significantly less than 3000hrs....like half! Others I know got their first corporate/charter jet job with 250hrs. It happens, just have to know where to look. I set my eyes on 2 companies 7 years ago when I started, Hoping to one day work for one Or the other, I have now worked for both and they were/are spectacular to work for!

[awitzke]

If I were to do it all over again I would buy a plane. Even if you don't keep it after you finish training, you will save a lot of money for all the single engine flying. You can buy a 152 these days for mid 20's. Fly it, maintain it, put 180 hours on it (I'm assuming you'd do multi and IFR in those last 20) and then sell it to recoup your cash. You would only be out minimal compared to renting. Especially in Canada with the outrageous prices FTU's are charging now.

[love2fly14]

If I were to do it all over again I would buy a plane. Even if you don't keep it after you finish training, you will save a lot of money for all the single engine flying. You can buy a 152 these days for mid 20's. Fly it, maintain it, put 180 hours on it (I'm assuming you'd do multi and IFR in those last 20) and then sell it to recoup your cash. You would only be out minimal compared to renting. Especially in Canada with the outrageous prices FTU's are charging now.

Well, that was my initial question... I found a guy that rents for 55$/h dry.
Are you saying If I buy one or get shares in one, it will be cheaper then this ?

[awitzke]

Hard to say. Another thing you need to look into is the legality of block time from a private aircraft owner. Most insurance companies will require you to be on the registration as an owner IIRC. Private renting is a grey area.

Remember you're paying fuel on top of that. A C152 typically burns about 6GPH. That's about 22.5L. Current card lock AVGas pricing at CZBB is $1.69/L So that's just shy of $40/hour for fuel. Let's use $40 since prices fluctuate. So now your wet rental is $95/hour. Not bad, but you're probably sharing that plane with other people too. And if something breaks, who knows if the owner has the money to fix it right away.

If you buy a C152 for $25k (a few for sale on the board at my school, with some as low as $20k) and sell it for the same.. you're now only out that $40/hr plus maintenance costs. An annual will run you $1500 or so and I can't speak on insurance since I don't know.

[awitzke]

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/clt/4855602597.html

Buy this and build time flying it back home. It's from a local FTU (Pacific Rim Aviation) that has a good maintenance program. Lots of good AME's here that can do a prebuy. Coast Dog at CYPK (where this A/C is located) is one of them.

[love2fly14]

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/clt/4855602597.html

Buy this and build time flying it back home. It's from a local FTU (Pacific Rim Aviation) that has a good maintenance program. Lots of good AME's here that can do a prebuy. Coast Dog at CYPK (where this A/C is located) is one of them.

THanks for the info... That looks like a nice plane!!!

[awitzke]

No problem. I had my eye on it for a bit but have come to the realization that I am far too in debt and poor to justify buying an airplane. Like I said... if I were to do it all over I'd be in less debt and at least have an aircraft to my name that I could fly. Now all I have are liabilities and no assets. Unless you consider the blue book an asset. I'll wait until I find an actual paid job flying before I call it that.

[Firebird67]

Find a company using aircraft as a service vehicle not commercially, you can use your license to fly around as long as it's not for hire. There is a few company's out there just hope you have a skill that they need. Company's using private aircrafts as service vehicles are fairly common in northern Ontario I see them all the time, also remote hunting camps or minnow trapping are always worth taking a look at.