Jazz members going to AC not too promising !

RussD · Post by **RussD** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:36 pm

bobcaygeon wrote:There is at least 3 Jazz pilots on the Aug. 1 AC course so maybe things will improve for JR. Jazz pilot's. There is also a AUG. 15 +29 course so we will see!!! Unfortunately they're giving barely a week's notice. One guy's wife had a baby in the AM and he got called for AC in the afternoon of the 27th to start on the 1st.

Someone needs a drink!!!

There are more than 3. JD and his gang are full of Sh**te. They are just predatory guys who like to advance their own agenda at the expense of the profession. tonysoprano (what a great handle for a gangster) is just another acpa troll. Acpa doesn't hire they just represent, and not very well at that given the number pending DFR's against them.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:47 am

Russ

He did say at LEAST 3. You should relax more.

Johnny767 · Post by **Johnny767** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:13 am

Holly smoke JayDee, you sure burned up alot of bandwith with Jurisprudence.

Maybe I should do the same with all the volumes upholding the Keller Award.

I know, that's different, you're OAC and you always get your way!

or you'll take your football and go home to Mom.

Gurundu the Rat · Post by **Gurundu the Rat** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:20 am

To All Jazz Pilots Who Have Nothing To Do With The Lawsuit.

Your name has been tarnished. And it's not your fault. Your career outside of Jazz in this country has been pooched. And it's not your fault. Next time you're having a beer with a "senior" lawsuit dreamer, thank him very much. Are they still telling you there's "strength in numbers"? Sad. Very sad. It all gives more credibility to "we are our own worst enemies".

Some people still don't get it. I will say it again clearly. Jazz pilots are involved in the lawsuit about as much as an Air Transat pilot represented by ALPA. Why aren't you pissed at Air Transat pilots too? They're with ALPA. Could it be that they have nothing to do with it? Neither do we!

And my name has not been tarnished. I still have integrity.

end of rant

JayDee · Post by **JayDee** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:59 am

You are one sick and twisted dude Russ

exbengal · Post by **exbengal** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:12 am

jd, you posted that the lawsuit was "dead in the water", of course you have the facts to back it up, I'd love to hear them, did you understand article 64 from the SCC? any comments about last months court decision?
you know acpa loosing all 30 motions.

JayDee · Post by **JayDee** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:04 am

Johnny767 · Post by **Johnny767** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:26 am

Refresh my memory here, Jaydee. Whose idea was it to merge?

Ah yes.......it was YOURS! The Mainline guys, chasing the jobs due to a layoff anouncement.

So a few Air Ontario guys are a little pissed that you welched on a deal, which you did!

Can't say I blame them. Now you hold a grudge against all Jazz Pilots?

JayDee · Post by **JayDee** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:07 pm

exbengal · Post by **exbengal** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:31 am

jd, you are so full of crap, if you are being sued you are part of a class action that has conspired to hurt the litigants, these class actions just don't happen because you joined some union that you had no controll over.
"its patnently unfair you deserve a career as the rest of us", there you go again, acpa has done everything possible to try to destroy the careers of Jazz types, everything from "jets for jobs" to trying to have our Dash jobs farmed out to teir 3, what did that cost you in wacon?

NovaBoy · Post by **NovaBoy** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:25 am

Boy am I ever glad I left the AC family, this has been going on for years, and will continue. Wait til scope rears it's ugly head again in a couple of years.

JayDee · Post by **JayDee** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:33 am

[quote="exbengal"]jd, you are so full of crap, if you are being sued you are part of a class action that has conspired to hurt the litigants, these class actions just don't happen because you joined some union that you had no controll over.
quote]

OK..I can see this conversation is going no where. Your minds are stuck in the mud it seems.Have a great life peeps. I am done with this thread

Sailorman · Post by **Sailorman** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:39 am

"I am done with this thread"

Glory be, now you can spend your free time figuring out how you gonna get the money to pay us AO guys our $300 mil.

exbengal · Post by **exbengal** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:21 am

"i am done with this thread", typical acpa, he took his posts and went home, not one constructive post on how to solve the problem, just the poor me persecution complex. cya

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:45 am

not one constructive post on how to solve the problem, just the poor me persecution complex. cya

Hello Pot........this is the kettle calling!

HaidaSalami · Post by **HaidaSalami** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:23 am

Hi all,

Assume for one moment you win the lawsuit.

What are your expectations? Have you ever looked at the practical side of what you are doing? How would you ever collect? Since Picher many of the AC crowd you are sueing are either dead or like me retired. Are you going to go grab some retiree's house and meager pension? Go after some widows benefits? Do you think the present day still employed respondents are just going to roll over & die and say, here you go, take what CCAA didn't ?

I honestly don't see any upside potential for you other than maybe a moral victory. The legal costs of collecting would be a nightmare. I also think you are flogging a dead horse, or at best a very lame one but that is just this mans opinion. Imagine for one moment the ripple effects of your actions on the labour movement in Canada. Try and imagine what the rest of your career would be like being despised by almost every pilot in the country.

My beloved wife of 32 years passed away 4 years ago. I learned a big lesson by the experience. Life is so dam short and at a blink of an eye it is all over......bury your bitterness and move on with what life you have left to live.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:34 am

Haida

Very sorry to hear about your wife. It would certainly put things into perspective.

exbengal · Post by **exbengal** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:12 am

Haidia, I too am sorry for your loss, however collecting is quite easy, garnisheeing pensions and estates is what its all about, you say for us to get over it but I have never heard one of you apologise to us.

btw, justice Winkler wanted to let widows and estates be let out of the class but guess what, some group had a problem with that, and it wasn't us.

as for being despised by every pilot in the country, I don't think so, we are the little guys in this fight, your group has caused alot of damage to us and piloting in general in Canada, we just want our day in court. I for one am proud of what we are doing.

Jaques, no one has ever asked for my opinion on how to settle this.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:22 am

Jaques, no one has ever asked for my opinion on how to settle this.

Fair enough, you are right on that one. What ideas do you have?

HaidaSalami · Post by **HaidaSalami** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:44 am

exbengal wrote:
garnisheeing pensions and estates is what its all about,

I for one am proud of what we are doing.

I am disheartened to think anyone could feel proud under the circumstamces you suggest "garnisheeing pensions and estates is what its all about " I hope I never experience your version of "proud"

Some synonyms for the word proud are arrogant, haughty, disdainful, supercilious.

These adjectives mean characterized by an inflated ego and disdain for what one considers inferior:

Proud can suggest justifiable self-satisfaction but often implies conceit:

One who is arrogant is overbearingly proud and demands excessive power or consideration:

Haughty suggests proud superiority, as by reason of high status

Supercilious implies haughty disdain and aloofness.

I thank you for your truthful expressions of how you feel as I can now appreciate more clearly the events that happened in 1995 if this is where your mindset is still at nigh 10 years later. Your hatred is eating you alive. I feel sorry for you.

What a sad thing this world has become.

uncleron · Post by **uncleron** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:10 am

Jacques,

"Fair enough, you are right on that one. What ideas do you have?"

I have flown with many of the pilots in the lawsuit and unfortunately I don't think their is an idea that would satisfy the majority.Whether the lawsuit is right or wrong it is all some have and that is where they channel their anger and bitterness.It is very sad it has consumed many because it's effects have affected many outside the lawsuit such as myself (jr.Jazz ex. nova) trying to get to mainline.
Even if those pilots do win the lawsuit, is it worth the years of bitterness and resentment, especially if the cheque comes from a widow?Very sad if the answer is yes.

exbengal · Post by **exbengal** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:07 pm

Haida, be honest, before I even reply to anything else did you read the Piche award?

exbengal · Post by **exbengal** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:33 pm

Jaques, I asked you the same question a few days ago

Sailorman · Post by **Sailorman** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:23 pm

"Even if those pilots do win the lawsuit, is it worth the years of bitterness and resentment, especially if the cheque comes from a widow?"

uncleron, this was mentioned before but maybe you did not see it, however, we offered to let the widows off the hook if the rest of the defendant class would indemnify them...guess what, they wouldn't. Now I ask you if their own wouldn't chip in to help out the widows why should we? In future stop trying to make the AO group look as if we are the bad guys. If you are not educated on what went on then keep your opinions to yourself.

exbengal · Post by **exbengal** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:11 pm

Sailorman, couldn't agree more, Haida's silence on reading Picher says it all.