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Scudrunner703 · Post by **Scudrunner703** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:04 pm

Alcohol screening? WTF? Isn't drinking a prerequisite to be a pilot, let alone a rampie?

leftoftrack · Post by **leftoftrack** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:29 pm

If your a late stage alcoholic there will be either enzymes that do exist and shouldn't or no longer exist and should. If you can actually say the alphabet backwards without thinking about it, you need not apply for this job. If you can go to the bar and have a few and show up the next day. Don't worry about the results

Illya Kuryakin · Post by **Illya Kuryakin** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:52 am

Their latest ad is an insult to the industry.
Need a pilot? Hire a pilot.
Need somebody to load airplanes? Hire somebody local and contribute to the community.
Still, the resumes will pour in.
Two years from now, you'll still have 250 hours.
Really?
Illya

falling · Post by **falling** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:44 pm

Illya please quit trolling. You have lost all credibility when it comes to the topic of how to start out. You have never given a solution and you continue to get proven wrong. I worked the ramp for 6 months at summit. I was then upgraded and 18 months later I was captain. Within 2 years I got in, got good time and then got a job with a 705 operator in southern Canada. I surpassed every instructor in my graduating class. They all told me they wished they had followed me. Working the ramp was the best decision I ever made.

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:06 pm

I'd like to invite Ilya to this thread:

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 3&t=102229

Share some wisdom, and add your own personal background if you wish.

Illya Kuryakin · Post by **Illya Kuryakin** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:27 pm

falling wrote:Illya please quit trolling. You have lost all credibility when it comes to the topic of how to start out. You have never given a solution and you continue to get proven wrong. I worked the ramp for 6 months at summit. I was then upgraded and 18 months later I was captain. Within 2 years I got in, got good time and then got a job with a 705 operator in southern Canada. I surpassed every instructor in my graduating class. They all told me they wished they had followed me. Working the ramp was the best decision I ever made.

Isn't that nice. So happy for you. But couldn't GARA.
ILLYA

falling · Post by **falling** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:34 pm

Well you do gara or you wouldn't be polluting these forums with your negative outlook. People post to get advice and all you do is spew redundant bs that helps no one.. When someone starts a topic on the negative side of being a rampie you can go crazy. This topic and many others are to give the poster an idea of how long the ramp waits are. If you can't contribute, don't bother entering the conversation, it's obviously the wrong discussion for you to be in.

Illya Kuryakin · Post by **Illya Kuryakin** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:17 pm

falling wrote:Well you do gara or you wouldn't be polluting these forums with your negative outlook. People post to get advice and all you do is spew redundant bs that helps no one.. When someone starts a topic on the negative side of being a rampie you can go crazy. This topic and many others are to give the poster an idea of how long the ramp waits are. If you can't contribute, don't bother entering the conversation, it's obviously the wrong discussion for you to be in.

You've made a grand total of THREE posts. While we're talking contributions, where are yours? If you are happy, good on you. For far your contributions have been limited to taking shots at my posts. You are cordially invited to stop reading them. This is my last cordial comment to you.
Illya

falling · Post by **falling** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:57 am

We will leave it at that. The amount of posts is where you measure your self worth. Ah.. Again illya proves to everyone that he adds nothing to the argument that all he does is belittle young aviators while adding no solution what so ever..useless commentary once again...If you think your negative regurgitation is any type of a contribution, please think again.

Chuck Ellsworth · Post by **Chuck Ellsworth** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:54 am

Illya has forgotten more about aviation that most of the new pilots here put together, maybe you should show more respect for your elders?

falling · Post by **falling** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:56 am

My apologies

shimmydampner · Post by **shimmydampner** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:01 pm

. . wrote:Illya has forgotten more about aviation...

Is that what happened to his manners too?

Chuck Ellsworth · Post by **Chuck Ellsworth** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:39 pm

True, he doe not seem to be a warm fuzzy type of guy.

godsrcrazy · Post by **godsrcrazy** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:24 pm

. . wrote:Illya has forgotten more about aviation that most of the new pilots here put together, maybe you should show more respect for your elders?

. i have no idea who illya is nor do i care how much experience he or she has. If he or she is as old as you say then maybe they are not up with the times. There is no doubt years ago the only thing you had to do to get a direct entry flying position was agree to go work in some remote area. These was probably when there were there were more airplanes then pilots.

Today pilots are turned out of flying schools like puppy mills. They are trained by "pilots" that are barely old enough to shave and the furthest they have gone from the airport they instruct at is the mandatory dual cross country trip their student has to do. Clients now insist on pilots in the cockpit with 2,000 plus hours. There are some companies that will take a chance and lie thru their teeth and claim the 1,000 hour guy has 2,000 hours. I say thank god for that. Although they do this only because ether have some poor soul that took a ramp job that they have grown to like and trust, so they stick their butt on the lie for them. Maybe illya and others that like doc that truly believe no low time pilot should have to work the ramp should spend their time promoting over priced consultants and major companies to give 100 hour guys a break. Rather then coming on this site belittling everyone trying to get their foot in the industry by taking a ramp job. Everyone has to start somewhere and every job has an internship. Intern Doctors work their butts off in the ER and everywhere else with little pay to get ahead. Intern Lawyers work their butt off for next to zero doing research etc to make their boss look like god while he collects $400 plus per hour. My point is everyone has to start somewhere.

Illya Kuryakin · Post by **Illya Kuryakin** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:57 pm

Godscrazy, I'm actually more down on the companies "using" pilots on the ramp when they could hire local people, and hire pilots to fly. Why keep pilots in a "bull pen" waiting for a seat, when they get a 250 hour pilot anyway?
Need a pilot? Hire one.
Need ramp people? Hire them.

BTW, I am warm and fuzzy!

And, I'm off the subject.
Illya

godsrcrazy · Post by **godsrcrazy** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:09 pm

Illya i think we are all fighting the same fight. There is no doubt there are some companies that take advantage of low timers. There are many that stick their butt and reputation on the line for them, considering clients and consultants are demanding higher time pilots. Personally if i am going to stick my butt out i want to know who its for and how they think. I think you and others on this site are beating on the wrong people. Try beating on the clients and high priced consultants that are demanding the high hours. Not the companies that are willing to give someone a break at some point in their future. Some of these companies ask for pilots as they turn away the young kid that can earn $2.00 an hour more loading planes then they can at McDonalds or Tim Hortons.So who is do who a favour.

I bet Lufthansa wishes they knew a certain person with 680 hours TT better right now.

Chuck Ellsworth · Post by **Chuck Ellsworth** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:10 pm

I bet Lufthansa wishes they knew a certain person with 680 hours TT better right now.

The number of hours that pilot had had zero to do with the loss of all those people.

While we are discussing European airlines how come none of them hire pilots to work the ramp before they can fly?

Yes, I know Illya personally and he has been flying almost as long as I have. ( Barney has been flying longer than both of us.

)

When we started flying the situation was just like today, there were far, far more pilots than jobs.

If I were to hire a pilot today I would use the same criteria as I always did, I would hire based on suitability not hours flown.

If the pilot was suitable for the job the last thing I would do is work them on the ramp and allow their flying skills to degrade through not being used.

Diadem · Post by **Diadem** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:58 pm

. . wrote:While we are discussing European airlines how come none of them hire pilots to work the ramp before they can fly?

Maybe not ramp, but the FO in the Germanwings crash had worked as a flight attendant while waiting for a flying spot. The alternative is paying $50000 for a type rating; if my choice were between working the ramp or buying a job, I would work the ramp, primarily because I don't have $50000. Being a pilot in Europe is becoming a career for the wealthy.

Illya Kuryakin · Post by **Illya Kuryakin** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:00 pm

Gods.....don't get me going on Contrails!
Illya

Chuck Ellsworth · Post by **Chuck Ellsworth** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:05 pm

The alternative is paying $50000 for a type rating; if my choice were between working the ramp or buying a job, I would work the ramp, primarily because I don't have $50000. Being a pilot in Europe is becoming a career for the wealthy.

Yes it has been that way for a long time.

Maybe the career of flying is only for the wealthy because those that are not wealthy can not afford to be a pilot?

falling · Post by **falling** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:25 pm

Illya Kuryakin wrote:Godscrazy, I'm actually more down on the companies "using" pilots on the ramp when they could hire local people, and hire pilots to fly. Why keep pilots in a "bull pen" waiting for a seat, when they get a 250 hour pilot anyway?
Need a pilot? Hire one.
Need ramp people? Hire them.

BTW, I am warm and fuzzy!

And, I'm off the subject.
Illya

Perfect! You are off the subject? So can we all expect to not see you polluting the next ramp wait time blog with the same comments over and over? That's all we can ask for. Thank you

Chuck Ellsworth · Post by **Chuck Ellsworth** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:19 pm

Perfect! You are off the subject? So can we all expect to not see you polluting the next ramp wait time blog with the same comments over and over? That's all we can ask for. Thank you

We?

Speak for yourself, some of us agree with Illya.

falling · Post by **falling** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:04 pm

Agree all you want. Posting the same condescending point in every new forum does nothing to help anyone. Let those who want to give advice do so. Quit hijacking every thread and turning them into a rampy debate..

Chuck Ellsworth · Post by **Chuck Ellsworth** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:27 pm

Agree all you want. Posting the same condescending point in every new forum does nothing to help anyone. Let those who want to give advice do so.

We do give advice.

If working the ramp was part of being a commercial pilot it would be part of flight training.

The longer one works the ramp the greater the risk of becoming rusty in your flying skills.

Try as hard as I can I can not think of anything I would learn on the ramp that would improve my airplane handling skills.

Is there something really flawed in my thinking?

falling · Post by **falling** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:38 pm

Not at all. Your points are valid. I agree that working the ramp will not make a better pilot. Those points don't get anyone anywhere though. The constant debate is not whether working the ramp will help you become a better pilot but whether or not it is a good way to enter the industry. According to Ilya we would be better off working outside of the industry while waiting for someone to hire us. The ramp route has its benifits and lots of pilots have accelerated their careers well past someone who took that instructing job, or that 206 job. in many cases the pilots who took the ramp jobs were better off in their careers. Funny how that works...sit around and wait for a direct entry and those who accepted taking the ramp job to make contacts will fly by you...obviously not in every case, but in many

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