that doesn't sound very good for new hires, why would anyone accept this?Krimson wrote:Year 1 pay, not on the list, and no carry over seniority to AC.
Situation for Jazz New Hires
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Good question. Jazz is not the same company it was 1 year ago. It is likely why they are hiring pilots with less than 1500 hours to fly their 705 machines.Flyboycanada80 wrote:that doesn't sound very good for new hires, why would anyone accept this?Krimson wrote:Year 1 pay, not on the list, and no carry over seniority to AC.
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The guys I see getting hired at Jazz right now are 703/704 Fo's with hardly any MPIC time around 1500-2000 TT. The deal is shitty now with absolutely no gurarantee when it comes to flowing to mainline. Upgrades still take forever and you'll be making below 40k for the first 3 years...Below 60 for the first 6-7 years on the new payscale. It is awful.
When you look at the current level of experience of new hires at Encore, Sky and Jazz I think it says it all. Encore and Sky hire in the 3000+ most of them with previous 705 experience. The new guys leave their own 705 operation for Encore or Sky, not for Jazz.
I would have a close look at those numbers, if you cannot attract higher time guys, then it says a lot about the current deal at Jazz.
Just my 2 cents
When you look at the current level of experience of new hires at Encore, Sky and Jazz I think it says it all. Encore and Sky hire in the 3000+ most of them with previous 705 experience. The new guys leave their own 705 operation for Encore or Sky, not for Jazz.
I would have a close look at those numbers, if you cannot attract higher time guys, then it says a lot about the current deal at Jazz.
Just my 2 cents
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The year 1 captain pay is because that's how Westjet and Encore do it, this is not something new Jazz execs thought up. Also fairly certain Sky and GGN are doing it as wellFlyboycanada80 wrote:that doesn't sound very good for new hires, why would anyone accept this?Krimson wrote:Year 1 pay, not on the list, and no carry over seniority to AC.
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Average new hire time is 2000-3000 hours with ATPL's. Most with Multi-turbine Captain time but there are a couple in every class with <2000 hours and no turbine, but at least have them written and PIC time. Hiring is still on-going for foreseeable future. *Talk* has upgrade time pegged at anywhere from 4-6 years, dependent entirely on mainline hiring in the next 5 years.
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What would be the first year take home for a year 1 FO these days at Jazz? Looking for some realistic numbers. Thanks in advance..
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I would say just under 2000 $ plus per diems ( 900 to 1100 $ tax free on top of that, might not get as much as a new hire on reserve more in the 700 $ ballpark if you do not get called all the time.)
Bases on an average of 82.5 h credits.
Bases on an average of 82.5 h credits.
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36$ per hour, multiplied by 82.5 hrs = 2970$
Subtract 20% tax = 2376 net
Plus 800-900 per diems = 3200$ roughly.
In my first year, I never had less than 900$ per diems. Vacation months was closer to 700$.
Subtract 20% tax = 2376 net
Plus 800-900 per diems = 3200$ roughly.
In my first year, I never had less than 900$ per diems. Vacation months was closer to 700$.
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$36 x 80 hrs = $2880 then subtract 30% taxes
= $2016 minus Pension and Benefits (for family) ~$500
= $1516 per month
Then add perdium per month $1000 and subtract the breakfast lunch dinner coffee at starbucks and beer. If you're like me you can subtract $800, but if you brown bag it your grand total each month of:
Max $2516
= $2016 minus Pension and Benefits (for family) ~$500
= $1516 per month
Then add perdium per month $1000 and subtract the breakfast lunch dinner coffee at starbucks and beer. If you're like me you can subtract $800, but if you brown bag it your grand total each month of:
Max $2516
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Yet, they still pay 10k more than the counterparts in the US, pitiful...
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You won't be paying 30% tax; the federal rate on the lowest bracket is 15%, and provincial taxes range from 4 to 12% on that income. Even then, you'll probably get all of that back on your tax return, especially if you can deduct pension or RRSP contributions. You can request that less tax be deducted from your paycheque, especially if you're certain you won't end up owing anything, and on that income with any amount of deductions it's not likely you'd owe a dime. The one nice thing about making an income that low is that you get to keep more of it.TrailerParkBoy wrote:$36 x 80 hrs = $2880 then subtract 30% taxes
= $2016 minus Pension and Benefits (for family) ~$500
= $1516 per month
Then add perdium per month $1000 and subtract the breakfast lunch dinner coffee at starbucks and beer. If you're like me you can subtract $800, but if you brown bag it your grand total each month of:
Max $2516
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What is an actual monthly estimate for pension, benefits, union dues etc?
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Then try to avoid Quebec where tax is 16%. We are splitting hairs with this debate...and the hairs are thin enough at this salary!Diadem wrote:You won't be paying 30% tax; the federal rate on the lowest bracket is 15%, and provincial taxes range from 4 to 12% on that income. Even then, you'll probably get all of that back on your tax return, especially if you can deduct pension or RRSP contributions. You can request that less tax be deducted from your paycheque, especially if you're certain you won't end up owing anything, and on that income with any amount of deductions it's not likely you'd owe a dime. The one nice thing about making an income that low is that you get to keep more of it.TrailerParkBoy wrote:$36 x 80 hrs = $2880 then subtract 30% taxes
= $2016 minus Pension and Benefits (for family) ~$500
= $1516 per month
Then add perdium per month $1000 and subtract the breakfast lunch dinner coffee at starbucks and beer. If you're like me you can subtract $800, but if you brown bag it your grand total each month of:
Max $2516
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+1.TrailerParkBoy wrote: Then try to avoid Quebec where tax is 16%. We are splitting hairs with this debate...and the hairs are thin enough at this salary!
If you go with my estimate of 3200$ a month, that's very realistic. That's what I made in my first year (2 years ago?)
But I think benefits and parking and union deductions are around 300 or so a month, combined.
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2 years ago the entry year 1 pay was much different than what it is now...
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So less than $1000 every two weeks ?? Wow..
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Around 1500$ every two weeks. 36$ an hour, do the math. 800-900 per diems a month (at the least.)
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Also with the ability to bump the income level with unlimited WDO's...I believe.
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Doing the math, this isn't even $1500 gross every two weeks: 36x80=$2880 per month, times 12 months =$34,560 per year, divided by 26 pays= $1329.23 Gross bi-weekly.razorblade wrote:Around 1500$ every two weeks. 36$ an hour, do the math. 800-900 per diems a month (at the least.)
Enter $34,560 into a take home pay calculator for Ontario as an example, =$1068.00 Bi-weekly BEFORE unions dues etc. which someone said is $300 per month, =$918.00 take home.
Better start delivering pizzas on your days off.
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Does anybody know which base and equipment are currently (or in near future) assigned to the new hires?