Exiting an Aircraft While Engine Running -- CARs Help

[Adam Oke]

I need a CARs genie as I am having some difficulty finding a reference.

I am looking for a CARs reference regarding exiting an aircraft with the engine running and no crew member at the controls. This is relevant to crew changes and hand propping. Any help locating the CARs reference would be greatly appreciated.

[DonutHole]

Crazy observer telling you off for running into the shack for a piss while you're being loaded?

Happened all the time during spray season... then they complain that they're being blasted St the fence when the guys go to leave.

[Adam Oke]

Crazy observer telling you off for running into the shack for a piss while you're being loaded?

Happened all the time during spray season... then they complain that they're being blasted St the fence when the guys go to leave.

This inquiry does not pertain to spraying. The big yellow bird isn't going anywhere in feather anyways.

[Big Pistons Forever]

602.10 (1) No person shall start an engine of an aircraft unless
(a) a pilot’s seat is occupied by a person who is competent to control the aircraft;
(b) precautions have been taken to prevent the aircraft from moving; or
(c) in the case of a seaplane, the aircraft is in a location from which any movement of the aircraft will not endanger persons or property.
(2) No person shall leave an engine of an aircraft running unless
(a) a pilot’s seat is occupied by a person who is competent to control the aircraft; or
(b) where no persons are on board the aircraft,
(i) precautions have been taken to prevent the aircraft from moving, and
(ii) the aircraft is not left unattended.

[DonutHole]

Crazy observer telling you off for running into the shack for a piss while you're being loaded?

Happened all the time during spray season... then they complain that they're being blasted St the fence when the guys go to leave.

This inquiry does not pertain to spraying. The big yellow bird isn't going anywhere in feather anyways.

Try telling that to the guy screaming at you

[Adam Oke]

602.10 (1)

Thanks BPF! I'll get back to you for my other 2 wishes, oh ye' CARs Genie!

[Meatservo]

So you land the twin otter with a load of drums on some frozen lake. Your copilot goes to the back to undo the straps and you jump out the front door, take a piss and run back to put the ramp in place and kick the drums as they roll out. You're breaking a "C.A.R.?" Big fucken deal. Tell TC to go @#$! your hat.

Fuckedy fuckedy FXck. I'm so Fucken' sick of all these fucken' "rules" I could beat a puppy to death with another puppy. Death by a thousand cuts is what this is. Constant petty harassment. Ask me how I really feel.

[pelmet]

So you land the twin otter with a load of drums on some frozen lake. Your copilot goes to the back to undo the straps and you jump out the front door, take a piss and run back to put the ramp in place and kick the drums as they roll out. You're breaking a "C.A.R.?" Big fucken deal. Tell TC to go @#$! your hat.

Based on the earlier reg quoted, I don't think any CAR was broken. The captain was still at the controls in that example(I think). That being said, we almost always left one engine running when up on the ocean ice and no pilot was in the cockpit. But as the earlier reg said...."precautions have been taken to prevent the aircraft from moving". This was done by feathering the propeller. The aircraft isn't going anywhere with the engine feathered.

[lost in the north]

Reminds me of when I moved 40 some drums of fuel with the turbo otter, 40 below. I never shut the damn thing of all day.

[Meatservo]

Hmm. Well, I still stand behind my bad attitude.

[Adam Oke]

Hmm. Well, I still stand behind my bad attitude.

That's the spirit!

[Liquid Charlie]

I can remember sitting on my deck in YK and watching Max Ward dock the 2otter by himself many times -- kinda made the hair stand up on my neck watching him exit the front door with the engine running -- he was well into his 70's at the time -- it's pretty high risk for anyone -- but ya gota do what you gota do I guess ----

[Navajo Flyer]

Wow!! Max Ward, a Canadian aviation pioneer, is still with us! Amazing! I would love to meet this guy sometime, he would have some interesting stories to tell.

[Heliian]

It's a risky manoeuver and should be avoided, if you are doing it to be cool or lazy then you deserve the consequences. screw the regulators but your insurance company won't like it if your plane crashes into something unpiloted. In the helicopter world, it's frowned up as there have been numerous incidents of rollovers and unpiloted "takeoffs" and crashes through the years. One helicopter pilot was actually killed by his helicopter as during a self door removal he accidentally pushed the stick, which tilted the rotor disc and proceeded to walk into the disc.

Safety first kids!

[pelmet]

I can remember sitting on my deck in YK and watching Max Ward dock the 2otter by himself many times -- kinda made the hair stand up on my neck watching him exit the front door with the engine running -- he was well into his 70's at the time -- it's pretty high risk for anyone -- but ya gota do what you gota do I guess ----

Have to admit, the only time I ever saw 2wotter in YK anywhere other than the dock was when they were pulling it out of the water after some sort of splashdown. Unfortunately. Never did hear what the cause was.

[Panama Jack]

The proof in the pudding comes retrospectively.

AFTER your airplane goes running while you stand there, trousers at your ankles, hand on your dick, mouth wide open, they can get you for violating 602.10 for not having taken adequate measures to ensure that the aircraft would not move. Just hope nobody gets hurt.