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Congrats to all you guys. :D

The info I have is the following:

Encore Calls for May 11th have gone out. From the sounds of it it's a 100% YYZ course.

Mainline calls for May 04th and May 25th have gone out.

Not sure if they are still filling anybody up in the mentioned courses. I have heard in the past that while they aim to call people 30 days in advance, it's not uncommon to be called for a course prior to the 30 days, and inside the 30 days either. Anything goes!

Hopefully someone with more info can update you guys.

Is there anyone who has interviewed for Encore last year and is still in the pool?
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K cool. Thanks
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Just one Encore course for May ??
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Hi All,
WJ has two courses in May. The first one has been called the second one has not. It’s a course of 8 and 4 are coming from flow (50%).
The proposed July course for WestJet has now slid a couple weeks to now start in August. We are also planning two courses in the fall (no change there yet)
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I was on the Westjet career section. It only advertises for Encore, anything for mainline ? (Pilot position)
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Dont think there will be another posting from what I'm hearing, still waiting to apply myself
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Lateralus,

Sorry I should have been more specific in my last. I interviewed for a spot with Encore and got on the May 11th course. Tunnel vision on my part.
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frog wrote:I was on the Westjet career section. It only advertises for Encore, anything for mainline ? (Pilot position)
My understanding is there are enough pilots in the mainline pool for at least this year. With Encore taking more of the spots there will be fewer and fewer spots available for mainline to the outside world.
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Encore? Better build up some fat reserves now or ask mom and dad if they still have that bedroom available. :lol:
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Anyone have an idea of how long candidates are staying in the pool recently?
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It really varies. 2 days to 6 months.
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5 months and counting for me. (Mainline) // Well the waiting is over !

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Here's how it went for me:

Applied January 2014
Interview October 2015
Pooled November 2015
Got the call for May 25th ground school (737)

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metalpedal wrote:Anyone have an idea of how long candidates are staying in the pool recently?
I've heard 1 day, I've heard 12 months. Good luck to you! 8)
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I hope it won't be too much longer for you loopa! Do you know of anyone who had his candidacy expire after 12 months? Wonder if it happens...
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Haha thanks man. The wait - it's been an interesting ride :lol: I've been in the pool shy of 4 months. I interviewed last year. Been in touch with people who had less exp who interviewed after me that were in the pool not even 2-3 weeks.

The name of the game is that the wait times in the pool vary so much due to many different reasons, that trying to figure out why someone waits and someone doesn't becomes something you can drive yourself insane with hahah :P

Here are the reason's for long and short wait times that I've heard for both WJ and Encore. I don't know how accurate they are, but take it with a grain of salt - they seem to make sense:

- Interview scores
- Good references / poor references
- (Encore), you did extremely well on your interview, but they would like to see you with a bit more time before you take that left seat with them, so they keep you in the pool to gain more hours (hence why some people are in the pool north of the normal time line to get a call). The way I understand it, people who anticipate sitting in the right seat for 2 or 3 years at Encore (say a 2000 hour pilot with navajo and 704 time) may get a call before a 3000 hour pilot with 2000 hours 705 time, cause they want the 3000 hour guy to maybe get another 500 hours before they join, but will still upgrade ahead of the previous guy who will be waiting 2-3 years for their turn. WOW, worst run on sentence ever, but does it make sense? LOL.
- Demand at Encore, so if they anticipate a lot of their senior guys flowing through, perhaps they will hire a more experienced class that can replace the additional roles at Encore that are normally held by the experienced guys flowing through. You know Training Captains, ACP's, Sim Instructors (not really sure what the additional roles are at Encore).
- Trying to award you a base close to you so you don't have to move across the country. Try to give BC/AB/MB people YYC, or give ON/QE/NB people YYZ, etc.
- More experienced people being the obvious choice and pushing other people with less exp down the pool.
- WJ trying to have a good relationship with your company, so they don't take many people at once. Or if they know you have a training bond, they take you closer to the expiry of your training bond? Not sure about the latter, but I've heard the first one quite a bit.
- Etcetera

If it's any consolation I know of 4 people who were PFO'd on their initial interview, waited a year, reapplied, and when pooled only waited a few weeks for a course. So this whole pool/pfo process is in my opinion something no body should ever take personally. As it does not at all define the abilities and values you bring to your work place. Sure, some people would obviously get a PFO, but it's my opinion that there are a lot of good guys and girls who don't get the chance that should be, as proven by the people who get pfo'd initially and then hired a year later. But! No one is entitled to anything in this industry, so just take the chances as they come, and hope they amalgamate into the right path for your career :idea:

I've heard of one person who had their candidacy expired after 12 months. This individuals wife worked at WJ and was constantly bugging HR why they haven't hired her hubby. So a boundary of professionalism was crossed and I think that's why this person didn't get it. Other than that, it's even been DaveP's word that they utilise everyone in the pool. You're usually in the pool cause they want you, not cause they feel sorry for you :lol:

The wait sucks! But it builds character, so the attitude remains onwards and upwards - tailwinds and blue skies. :D How long have you been in the pool metal? 8)
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Why wouldn't Encore just pool someone instead of PFO'ing them with the intent on taking them the next year? Cause I've seen the same thing myself with lots of great pilots.
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I'm not entirely sure. I don't think they PFO someone with the intent to take them later. I think you need a minimum score to get pooled, so people that don't that magical score get PFO'd. Score being accumulated from your interview, references, tech exam, etc. I'm not 100% sure but I would imagine it would be something like that.

It's the same as being selected for interview. You have to get a certain score to get invited. Accumulated from your resume, exp, answers on the application, additional languages, total time, type ratings, internal references, etc.
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If that's the case it would be great to know where you scored poorly in order to come back stronger.
unfortunately the standard letter keeps you in the dark.
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scopiton wrote:If that's the case it would be great to know where you scored poorly in order to come back stronger.
unfortunately the standard letter keeps you in the dark.
I think that kind of defeats the purpose of an interview. No? Most companies want a genuine new hire who hasn't scripted their responses/interview behavior just to get the job.
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I don't mean to know were you failed to later change your own "self" and look like the guy they're looking for. thinking that new hires have been 100% honest during their interview and showed who they really are is a bit naive and I'm sure HR and recruiters are well aware of that.

having a little idea about what went wrong during your interview (that you're not aware of) is always a positive thing to know for the future. whichever the next airline will be.
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I'd agree. Feedback is always nice to have.
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I agree as well. But I can also see where a company can get themselves into a legal mess if they give every one feedback. All you need is someone who takes serious offence to it and acts into a big PR campaign on suing said company. How many people are out there that thrive on suing for sexism, religions, discrimination even though in reality it has never taken place. I think the "no feedback" policy saves the company from thousands perhaps millions in legal fees by simply keeping their reasons to themselves. I think AC, Sunwing, Transat, and the other big players don't give any feedback either right? Can you imagine the can of worms that would be spilled every time AC told someone that was PFO'd that it was due to a failed medical, yet that person has the ability to hold a CAT 1? I can see it.

If you want something bad enough, eventually you'll get it. So if WJ is where you want to be at, keep applying until you get there. Networking helps too.

BTW, buddy of mine interviewed 28 days ago got pooled. It took me 27 days to get pooled. I spoke with someone from the military and it took them a week. So for the ones wondering it seems to be all over the place as to how long to get a response about your interview. Good luck! 8)
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Posting this for a friend -

If you're on one of the May ground schools and need a place to stay, my buddy has a few rooms for rent. 20 minutes to the campus. Clean quiet neighbourhood. Live with a few other pilots during training.

PM me if you need some space and I'll put you guys in touch.
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Thanks for all the most recent information on here. Any word on the next Encore class after May? I am just trying to plan some holidays. When I spoke with HR she said to call or email if I had any questions, but got a bit worried on here seeing that someone got left in the pool after his wife bugged HR.
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I was in similar shoes as you, I had some vacation planned a month after I was pooled and they were really good about keeping the communication open with me about whether I was selected or not for the course - as it would dictate whether I would go on this vacation or not.

Congratulations on being pooled. The word I have heard is that there's a June course, no course in July, then Aug it starts again. The rumor is 100% YYZ. Not sure how accurate this info is, it's all info in the grapevine. I would imagine calls for June will go out next week as they try to aim for 30 days in advance. Good luck!! This information is second hand, buddy of a buddy told me during a social gathering when he interviewed 3 weeks ago that if he was successful, the wait time in the pool is approximately 4 months now. Can someone who interviewed recently confirm or deny this info?

Fingers crossed for you V1! :D I've been in the pool 4 months and counting.
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